[FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods and Modding Framework-The Reunion [R06f]

[Kuraudo.]

[JOKE-MOOD-ON] DLPB here you must answer like Kitase-san "We don't know ourselves".

[DLPB_]

Haha

[Cloud’s Stripe]

@Tails: Does this look like anything you have in mind? (btw my picture of the menu is cut off, not the menu itself)
I am using The Reunion r05c with the translation, without the menu overhaul (no transparant dialog boxes even & with original names: cfr dialog box layout) along with Remako’s menu upscale (as well as Satsuki’s field & movies, music mod, Sega Chief’s no mouth mod & a Reshade crt filter). I am not using the 60 fps mod beacause it stutters on my end and i’m getting graphical inconsistencies as well. Everything runs perfectly fine, and I can’t believe how good it looks, sounds and plays. You can tweak it to be as ‘original’ as you want, by ticking some boxes during the Reunion r05c installation. I share your dislike of the menu overhaul, but it’s entirely optional. I played a PAL psx version of FFVII in ‘97 so i guess i didn’t even notice any slowdown in the menus

ps: @DLPD i’m sorry if this has been adressed before (could hardly find anything about it by searching qhimm though) but would you take Tim Rogers video translations into account in future Reunion updates? (i.e. Aerith stating ‘It was the first person I could imagine being together with’ about Zack on the playground and Barret’s non-gendered sneer at Cloud hanging from the bridge instead of saying ‘Stop acting like a girl.’? The insane work he produced making those vids seems like a terrific source/reference for your insane undertaking of translating the game and I am curious how you feel about them? Please ignore this if this is discussed elsewhere, thank you.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[DLPB_]

Gendered insults are left alone if they work for the character in context.  I'm not doing any thought police political correctness.  It depends on context and on Charlie Beer's proof read.

Charlie is actively noting things from Tim Rogers as he works through.  The things Tim's found that we haven't are minimal - but we do add them if need be.

[Cloud’s Stripe]

I replayed the first five hours without the translation, and now with. I can only thank you all for clearing up the often incomprehensible dialogue, even in those first few hours (Tifa running up the Shin-Ra stairs had me thinking she had to pee, instead of catching Barret looking up; the search for Cloud’s wig indicating Big Bro is ‘into that’ instead of a whole gym,...).

fyi: I checked Tim’s (literal) translation of the bridge segment:


I know you’re not aiming to make a literal translation. But it’s great to hear Charie Beer is taking Tim’s videos into account, even those two examples: the way Aerith phrases a first crush and Barret’s remark - however few the differences may be- sure add to their character and paint a fuller picture. I love all of this stuff and look forward to your future release(s)!

[Tails]

@Tails: Does this look like anything you have in mind? (btw my picture of the menu is cut off, not the menu itself)
I am using The Reunion r05c with the translation, without the menu overhaul (no transparant dialog boxes even & with original names: cfr dialog box layout) along with Remako’s menu upscale (as well as Satsuki’s field & movies, music mod, Sega Chief’s no mouth mod & a Reshade crt filter). I am not using the 60 fps mod beacause it stutters on my end and i’m getting graphical inconsistencies as well. Everything runs perfectly fine, and I can’t believe how good it looks, sounds and plays. You can tweak it to be as ‘original’ as you want, by ticking some boxes during the Reunion r05c installation. I share your dislike of the menu overhaul, but it’s entirely optional. I played a PAL psx version of FFVII in ‘97 so i guess i didn’t even notice any slowdown in the menus

Wait, how can you use the translation without the menu overhaul? When I install it, I can only do it alongside Beacause. But yes, this looks perfect!(I also use Remako, but never looked at the other mods you listed.



@DLPD, I only posted that way because you answered someone else after I replied to you, skipping me. First, I only want to be able to use the translation without the menu overhaul, no need to reprogram everything. Second, please take criticism better. In no way I'm being unreasonable and demanding you to cater only to my whims, I'm just stating my dislike for a feature without sugar-coating it. If it bothered you, I'm sorry.

I believe AssailantLF's testing of the menu. Even if the menu overhaul is just a few frames slower, it FEELS off, and it's noticeable. Just like a piece of animation that was made originally in 24 FPS being run at 60 FPS by interpolation, it loses it's "snappiness" and feels weird and slow (it's just an analogy though, I'm not referring to the 60 FPS option or anything regarding the game's FPS).

It's ok if you wont change it, but I do wish I could use only the translation mod and nothing else.

[Cloud’s Stripe]

Wait, how can you use the translation without the menu overhaul? When I install it, I can only do it alongside Beacause. But yes, this looks perfect!

Well, you’re looking at the Reunion menu in those pics. I presumed your (and my) personal dislike concerned the optional restylized menus. All i did was follow this guide (https://steamcommunity.com/app/39140/discussions/0/3022387599798577530/) and make sure to check ‘fixed length character names’ in the Reunion setup. As this thread isn’t concerned with other mods, i suggest you take a look around the forums. I hope this helps you out!

ps: As an utterly clueless noob i spent about two weeks reading and searching to get this setup together. Stuff failed a lot, it was interesting! After everything these people do, it’s a miracle they reply even once imo (concerning problems with their program they’re aware of, reiterating with every influx of new users, for whom they’ve written extensive guides ^^)

[DLPB_]

What you ask might sound easy to you, but it takes an awesome amount of work on my part. Do it yourself with the tools available.  R06 may make it easier for you. Those check boxes above aren't magic.

What on earth makes you think that it's sane to come and gripe over something that small and that it might go down well with me?  Do you know how irritating it is to make thousands and thousands of changes over countless hours to have a post like yours come along?  And if I changed it, there are dozens who'd disagree with you.  Your criticism isn't remotely constructive - and it certainly isn't reporting a bug.

[Tails]

Well, you’re looking at the Reunion menu in those pics. I presumed your (and my) personal dislike concerned the optional restylized menus. All i did was follow this guide (https://steamcommunity.com/app/39140/discussions/0/3022387599798577530/) and make sure to check ‘fixed length character names’ in the Reunion setup. As this thread isn’t concerned with other mods, i suggest you take a look around the forums. I hope this helps you out!

Thank you very much for your help.

What you ask might sound easy to you, but it takes an awesome amount of work on my part. Do it yourself with the tools available.  R06 may make it easier for you. Those check boxes above aren't magic.

What on earth makes you think that it's sane to come and gripe over something that small and that it might go down well with me?  Do you know how irritating it is to make thousands and thousands of changes over countless hours to have a post like yours come along?  And if I changed it, there are dozens who'd disagree with you.  Your criticism isn't remotely constructive - and it certainly isn't reporting a bug.

I will do that.

Sorry once again, then. Good luck with R06c.

[Kuraudo.]

Hello.
I've had my eye on this project for years, friends who played it loved it. I've been set on replaying VII with this relocalization (And the mod that improves the backgrounds, not sure if it's made by the same people) after finishing college since the beginning of it and, now that i did and the remake is just around the corner too,  it's the perfect time. From what i gather R07 is going to be THE version to look out for. Should we expect it to be out in 2019? I'm sure it's going to take as much time as it needs to take, but for me atleast it would help to know if it's realistic to expect to have R07 before the remake.

Thank you to everyone behind this project, in special the translation, it really needed it. I'm Japanese Brazilian and i barely understand Japanese, but my cousins always told me the english version was quite inaccurate.
I wish someone would do the same for Xenogears.

You better wait for R06 which will be at least half proof checked but will bring A LOT of improvements. There is no specific date for anything. But R06 is on the way.

[Omnislash]

You better wait for R06 which will be at least half proof checked but will bring A LOT of improvements. There is no specific date for anything. But R06 is on the way.

Thanks for the answer. Yes, i'll consider R06 depending on the timeline, it's the one with all the translation touches in that document by Charlie Beer, right? It's great stuff, the whole thing about how Red XIII was supposed to be pretending to be older all the way until Cosmo Canyon is fascinating.

[Kuraudo.]

Thanks for the answer. Yes, i'll consider R06 depending on the timeline, it's the one with all the translation touches in that document by Charlie Beer, right? It's great stuff, the whole thing about how Red XIII was supposed to be pretending to be older all the way until Cosmo Canyon is fascinating.

Absolutely yes. It is super worth it. And not only that, even Barret dialogues and so many other details that we even cannot imagine. Stay tuned.

I'm also excited about the new way that R06 will manage things with their tool.

[ExDuelist]

Does anybody know how to edit the "04-TransStatusShort.txt" hexes inside Reunion r03e? Specifically, i'd want to translate the english words in italian.

[DLPB_]

That will be far easier with R06 - which is designed to aid people in translating to other langs.  I suggest you don't even try messing with that nonsense in earlier versions. It's too much hassle. 

[ExDuelist]

That will be far easier with R06 - which is designed to aid people in translating to other langs.  I suggest you don't even try messing with that nonsense in earlier versions. It's too much hassle.

What if i remove it completely to get status menus directly with the strings i wrote with Touph script? Would that be a problem?

[Mypieyourslice]

Thank you for creating this and helping people out, hopefully me among them. Unfortunately I have an issue which I haven't been able to resolve after much googling and trial/erroring.

I have the steam version and I've used the GC already. I have "two" mods that I'm trying to get to work. The Remako mod, which works fine, and Reunion mod for Beacause, 60 fps and menu overhaul which doesn't even seem to apply after installing it. I've tried installing it with FF7_en.exe in the folder and I've also tried installing it without that .exe in the folder. When I launch the game through 7H (path set to FF7_bc) I get this:

https://imgur.com/a/o6U3l2v (when I preview the post the images don't show so I am linking to them directly)

The text is the same during dialog and in the menu: letters are very bolded and don't even fit on screen/in the menu. Other problems include graphical glitches (the handrails in sector 8 turn red for example) and even my controls get changed for some weird reason. Also, while not sure, I don't even think the retranslation nor the 60 fps patch are applied even though I check them during the install. The other .exe files don't work either, unless it's the regular unmodded .exe which obviously works fine. I've tried merging the texture and reunion folders but that didn't correct anything either. Any help with this would be appreciated!

[Hyperthesis]

What you ask might sound easy to you, but it takes an awesome amount of work on my part. Do it yourself with the tools available.  R06 may make it easier for you. Those check boxes above aren't magic.

What on earth makes you think that it's sane to come and gripe over something that small and that it might go down well with me?  Do you know how irritating it is to make thousands and thousands of changes over countless hours to have a post like yours come along?  And if I changed it, there are dozens who'd disagree with you.  Your criticism isn't remotely constructive - and it certainly isn't reporting a bug.

Speaking of griping over something small, I still cannot stand "Summon" being truncated to "Sum" in the battle command menu. Yes, the menu overhaul mod is great otherwise, and yes I understand sacrifices had to be made. But I can't abide it. I've tried. "Sum" is just plain ugly and, as a FF7 purist, never something I can get used to.

But I won't be an ass and ask you to change your entire mod around for my sake. However, I would very much  like to know if there will be any tools available to change Sum back to Summon myself when R06 launches. To shrink or replace the text, or resize the command menu, or whatever.

[DLPB_]

I can't change it in that case...  the alternative is 100% worse   It doesn't fit the box.  So there's nothing you can do.

Changing the box size means altering LOTS of stuff.

[Kuraudo.]

Hi DLPB,

IIRC in the Italian modding scene, there was one tool able to automatically change the window size depending on your translated text. Is that a different case?

[AssailantLF]

Thank you for creating this and helping people out, hopefully me among them. Unfortunately I have an issue which I haven't been able to resolve after much googling and trial/erroring.
...
Any help with this would be appreciated!

Your main problem is that you shouldn't change the executable (.exe), it should stay as ff7.exe. Using ff7_bc.exe is for R03c.

I'll refer you to my post a couple pages back, which should fix everything:

The OP says:
"Q. I use 7th Heaven, and I have this problem...
A. 7th Heaven issues don't belong here."

but, speaking from my own experience, it is compatible with most 7th heaven mods:

0. Start with a clean slate, uninstall FF7, Reunion, and 7th Heaven, and clean registry keys via FF7-REMOVE-Keys.exe
1. Install FF7
2. Install 7th heaven as you would, including whatever 7H mods you want
3. In FF7's directory, rename ff7_en.exe to anything else, like ff7_en_steam.exe
4. Install R05c via its installer
5. Under 7th Heaven Settings, change the "Aali's modpath" (aka Textures path in newer versions) from [ff7-dir]\mods\Textures to [ff7-dir]\mods\Reunion

If you have further issues, I recommend making a thread in the 7th Heaven subforum, as this isn't supposed to be a 7th Heaven help thread.

[Caledor]

Hi DLPB,

IIRC in the Italian modding scene, there was one tool able to automatically change the window size depending on your translated text. Is that a different case?

Yes. Dialogue box =/= command box. There was the Hex Documentation around here though... which allowed people to fiddle with a lot of stuff like text spacing, boxes and whatnot. I used that to make "Elemosina" (Zeninage) fit in the command box (among other changes) but i can't seem to find it now.

[Kalil]

Hello everyone,

First of all, I would like to thank you a lot for your work this mod is amazing.

I'm having a problem, though. I've installed just The Reunion and Remako 1.0, and I checked the database, but I didn't find anything similar.

Basically, some dialogues are not well aligned, and some letters go on a new line (usually, punctuaction).

I've got some example screens:





Is this a common error, or have I done something wrong?

Thank you in advance.

[DLPB_]

None of these issues are related to The Reunion.

Please take them all to 7H thread.  I don't want pestering with bugs caused by that mod.

To be honest, this 7h stuff has to stop.  I'm seriously considering R06's compatibility with 7th Heaven.

[EQ2Alyza]

Remako and Reunion are mods. 7H is a tool, so they're not really related. Plus, Remako is not included in Catalog 2.0, so it's not something I'd offer help in since I haven't touched it either.

The reason you're getting all these inquiries is because people are publishing guides on Steam using your mod alongside it, but if the installation doesn't go correctly, they come here looking for answers.

This is somewhat of a result of today's society being spoon fed everything for free and skipping the whole learning process. Many of today's new users don't have clue about the games file structure and how to mod it.

[LordUrQuan]

Many of today's new users don't have clue.

FTFY

In all seriousness, it seems to me that the biggest hiccup is in the order of execution... As a PC'97 player, I found that the order of install has to be FF7 - R05c - SAVE THE RESULTING EXE!!! - 7H Converter - 7H pointed back at the *saved* EXE.  Steam apparently reverses R05c and 7HCon, or something else changed that the converter doesn't know how to take into account, and hence the problems.

Meanwhile, I'll just kick back and practice Tifa's slots at a *real* 60fps (which is a heck of a lot harder on bare metal than it is inside an 30fps-limited VM!).