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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1425 on: 2015-06-01 18:07:51 »
Hey guys, I need a little help....

I was messing around with some older versions of the mod and I screwed up. I deleted my old backup of the scene, kernel and kernel 2 files (the game's originals, not the mod ones) and I kind of need them for comparing some things. I don't have the game with me here and can't reinstall, so I was wondering if anyone has these three original files and wouldn't mind sending me them. Otherwise I'm pretty much stuck.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1426 on: 2015-06-01 18:52:17 »
Hi,

How can i get the golden chocobo because i want the KotR Materia :P

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1427 on: 2015-06-01 21:27:49 »
Hi,

How can i get the golden chocobo because i want the KotR Materia :P

Same way as before; grab a Great + Good and breed them with a carob nut (racing them to Rank A can boost probability) for either a green or blue choco. Then after fighting a set number of battles they'll be able to breed again; aim for the opposite colour + gender of your first special chocobo (so if you got a green male the first time, aim for blue female the second time). Race these to A, then breed the Green + Blue with a Carob nut for a Black chocobo. Now catch a Wonderful of the opposite gender, race 'em to A or S, and then breed them with a Zeio Nut. And boom. Zeio Nuts are gotten from Goblins on Goblin Island, Carob Nuts are dropped by a red dragon called Vlak found in green areas of the Icicle Area on the world map.

There's a tonne of guides online for chocobo breeding too; I'd check them out if you haven't done this before. It's more or less the same procedure in NT than it is in the default game.

Hey guys, I need a little help....

I was messing around with some older versions of the mod and I screwed up. I deleted my old backup of the scene, kernel and kernel 2 files (the game's originals, not the mod ones) and I kind of need them for comparing some things. I don't have the game with me here and can't reinstall, so I was wondering if anyone has these three original files and wouldn't mind sending me them. Otherwise I'm pretty much stuck.

I've a patcher that can restore the game to it's default state: https://mega.co.nz/#!P59iDADZ!_tqb7dQiZgyH0TMOC5cjK-DTRe98aVfU8vO4T2AEs7w

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1428 on: 2015-06-01 21:28:42 »
hey sega chief

the people could also use the ff7 save editor to get the gold chocboo the easy way right

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1429 on: 2015-06-01 21:34:10 »
Thanks Chief. Remind me to hug you one of these days.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1430 on: 2015-06-02 05:33:58 »
Sweet, new flevel patch with the extended save points. Time for another quick vacation in the world of New Threat. Thanks, Sega Chief.

Edit: On innate abilities @Sega Chief.

I feel that they should help reinforce the character's intended role by rewarding players for playing well and surviving. In that regard, your initial ideas are pretty great. Here are my thoughts and suggestions. Most of this is without % chance or a critical health requirement, but I'm fine with either if it makes things fun.

Cloud: An all-rounder is tricky, and the fact that he's the party leader for the majority of the game means the innate ability should be straight forward. Maybe a mild bonus to party Dex or Spr, like a stack system granting a +1 each turn, max +20 (or more every other turn depending on how the turn counter works). Makes long fights a little faster and safer assuming you aren't constantly losing characters.

Barret: The proposed Vit and Spr stack when attacked is pretty great. I'm wondering, though, if it would be possible to have his innate be based on row placement. It'd be interesting if Barret, a normally one dimensional tank, had an in-battle offensive and defensive wind-up mode. Front row = str & mag; back row = vit and spr. Go full tank, or go bruiser.

Tifa: She should get some kind of Dex bonus/stack if she uses the attack command and hits an elemental weakness. If that's not feasible, then a str bonus/stack while at full health would be a nice mix-up to her typical "critical HP" shenanigans. If you find some way of making the innate ability based on Rank Up, she could have a party leader version that grants a stack of Str to the party each turn.

Aeris: Get a stack of Mag every turn while at full hp or when you remove a negative status. I still like the idea of healing x2, though.

Red XIII: Attacking should grant a debuff stack of some kind. Maybe Mag or Spr debuff. If debuffs would be too much since they don't go away if Red XIII gets KOd, hitting an elemental weakness with magic could restore a small amount of MP back.

Yuffie: Attacking should grant a debuff stack of some kind. Maybe Str or Vit debuff. If debuffs would be too much since they don't go away if Yuffie gets KOd, hitting an elemental weakness with an attack or magic could remove a negative status effect from Yuffie.

Cait Sith: That Rage system would be crazy hype! You are a god if you pull it off. If not, I'd settle for something simple, like getting a stack of Vit/Spr for casting spells.

Vincent: Innate resistance when in a limit form is great. If it's just one element, maybe it should be immunity since you're still losing control of Vincent? Well, I tend not to rely on limits in the NT Mod anyway, so I'd prefer if the innate ability wasn't restricted to the limit break form. Something like recovering a little HP when hitting an elemental weakness with magic, or gaining a buff if a negative status is successfully resisted.

Cid: Luck boost sounds awesome. Luck stacks every turn up to a max would be the happy middle ground, but I'm totally cool with 2x luck. Cid for party president.
« Last Edit: 2015-06-02 08:31:57 by Bowser9 »

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1431 on: 2015-06-02 11:42:24 »
About row changing - it could be cool (or overpowered) for Barret to sit in back row getting tough, before hopping into the front row to punch stuff hard while keeping his toughness!

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1432 on: 2015-06-02 14:21:14 »
I like that idea of Barret's bonuses changing depending on which Row he's in. I think I can set that up, depending on how handy the game is with checking a character's row (Grunt's default AI should provide what I'm after). I'd have the bonus gained from one row be reset when receiving a bonus from the other Row (so if you build his Vit/Spr to max stacks in the back row, these are reset when receiving the first Front Row stack).


Tifa: She should get some kind of Dex bonus/stack if she uses the attack command and hits an elemental weakness. If that's not feasible, then a str bonus/stack while at full health would be a nice mix-up to her typical "critical HP" shenanigans. If you find some way of making the innate ability based on Rank Up, she could have a party leader version that grants a stack of Str to the party each turn.

There's an idea; I have a few empty variables that can be used for in-battle purposes. Changing/upgrading the innate based on Rank-Up could add an interesting dimension to it beyond stats. It depends how easy it is to implement though, at present I only know how to set these in an actual battle (Arrange is triggered through an alternate first battle with Trainee MPs that have the AI to flip the variable). If I can figure out how to get it to work from a Field trigger then I could do some things there.

Stacks at MaxHP is a good idea too to avoid the critical HP scenario, although MaxMP could offer some possibilities. Maybe a temporary boost to Magic while sitting at MaxMP which is lost after casting the first spell?

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1433 on: 2015-06-02 15:53:54 »
Max MP bonus sounds fun, and could be a pretty big bonus as it doesn't become too powerful until you either have MP Absorb (which rarely covers the cost of the spell anyway) or lots of ethers!

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1434 on: 2015-06-02 16:17:31 »
Max MP bonus sounds fun, and could be a pretty big bonus as it doesn't become too powerful until you either have MP Absorb (which rarely covers the cost of the spell anyway) or lots of ethers!


Oh yeah, MP Absorb would be pretty great with that. I was just thinking of something like +10/15 or something, or could do something else entirely with it like better defences or whatnot.

Anyways, good news; the early prototype for Barret actually worked without a hitch. Got his Strength to rise 5 times after he was attacked while he was in the front row. Now I need to code in the back-row part of it; my only concern is that the kernel might go over it's size limit while implementing all of them, but I've made a back-up just in case.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1435 on: 2015-06-02 17:16:53 »
I may have mentioned this before but I still think FF8's limit break system was the best risk/reward system out there, in that case it only activates when low on HP rather than by damage taken.

I think you said it couldn't be done anyway.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1436 on: 2015-06-02 17:25:42 »
FF8's limit break system is easily the most broken aspect of that game; it's so easily abused that it forms the foundation for most speedruns + the No Junction run and can pretty much ruin the game if you let it. There is little risk associated with it; all you need is at least one guy with critical HP, the other two supporting him/her by keeping themselves healthy while chucking a Phoenix Down/similar at the critical party member if they get KO'd.

If I use an innate triggered by critical/max HP then it'll be for an appropriately small bonus as opposed to, say, a potential 7 hit Renzokuken + 17 hits from Lionheart on tap.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1437 on: 2015-06-02 17:29:50 »
maybe you could take the FF8 idea and just nerf it a little, maybe make it less likely to activate, so you need to keep mashing the 'switch character' button until it activates, in addion there can be a cool down period whereby after doing a limit break it will take soo many clicks/turns before it can be reactivated with low HP.

BTW I have a 52 page document about the new threat mod requests, its basically all I have posted here, seems FF7 needs a lot of work.
« Last Edit: 2015-06-02 17:32:18 by Rufus »

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1438 on: 2015-06-02 19:02:08 »
Same way as before; grab a Great + Good and breed them with a carob nut (racing them to Rank A can boost probability) for either a green or blue choco. Then after fighting a set number of battles they'll be able to breed again; aim for the opposite colour + gender of your first special chocobo (so if you got a green male the first time, aim for blue female the second time). Race these to A, then breed the Green + Blue with a Carob nut for a Black chocobo. Now catch a Wonderful of the opposite gender, race 'em to A or S, and then breed them with a Zeio Nut. And boom. Zeio Nuts are gotten from Goblins on Goblin Island, Carob Nuts are dropped by a red dragon called Vlak found in green areas of the Icicle Area on the world map.

There's a tonne of guides online for chocobo breeding too; I'd check them out if you haven't done this before. It's more or less the same procedure in NT than it is in the default game.

I've a patcher that can restore the game to it's default state: https://mega.co.nz/#!P59iDADZ!_tqb7dQiZgyH0TMOC5cjK-DTRe98aVfU8vO4T2AEs7w
That´s the Problem. I just get a yellow or black chocobo. The golden one doesn´t appear.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1439 on: 2015-06-02 20:07:27 »
That´s the Problem. I just get a yellow or black chocobo. The golden one doesn´t appear.

Ah, there's a glitch with that. I think you need to talk to a specific parent first in order to have any chance of getting a Gold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpSdTxFRlfU

When speaking to them for the breeding, always speak to the Black Chocobo first. And try to get them both to S-Rank for the best chance of success.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1440 on: 2015-06-02 20:57:11 »
Ah, there's a glitch with that. I think you need to talk to a specific parent first in order to have any chance of getting a Gold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpSdTxFRlfU

When speaking to them for the breeding, always speak to the Black Chocobo first. And try to get them both to S-Rank for the best chance of success.
I tried it several times but it still doesn´t work :o

Another Question:  Is junon league currently just limited to 2 or 3 brackets?
« Last Edit: 2015-06-02 21:13:20 by Aquarii »

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1441 on: 2015-06-02 22:11:56 »
Outside that digging city, where we go to the ancient forest, when I fight that red dragon, two times now when I do Cid's hyper jump limit (level 2) it works, but then after several tries, the game freezes in the middle of that limit.  Has this happen to anyone else??

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1442 on: 2015-06-02 22:27:04 »
Yeah, the hyper jump animation is glitched on PC FFVII, I'm not sure if there's any easy fixes, I just avoid using that limit! =P

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1443 on: 2015-06-02 23:29:38 »
Yeah, the hyper jump animation is glitched on PC FFVII, I'm not sure if there's any easy fixes, I just avoid using that limit! =P

Unfortunately, that's correct; when using Aali's driver, Hyper Jump has a chance to crash the game and I think it's the same on Steam (not sure, but it's likely). I could maybe replace the Limit with something else, but it wouldn't be ideal.

I tried it several times but it still doesn´t work :o

Another Question:  Is junon league currently just limited to 2 or 3 brackets?

Junon Leagues is currently only two brackets. I don't think it's a guaranteed Gold, even with the S-Ranks + avoiding the script glitch. You might need to reset your RNG after each attempt; when loading the save file, fight a random battle to change it.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1444 on: 2015-06-03 07:10:50 »
Installed the flevel hotfix. Game soft locks when I touch a save point, complete with a bunch of gibberish in the text boxes. Happens regardless of which mode I'm on or whether I have the menu overhaul or not. Gonna try another clean install and see if things change.

Edit: Still no good. Hmmm. If I hit menu fast enough, I can save, but the game will still soft lock unless I quit and reload. Loading at a save point doesn't trigger the extended options.
« Last Edit: 2015-06-03 09:12:35 by Bowser9 »

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1445 on: 2015-06-03 09:12:50 »
How long do you reckon until the gameplay balance is finished? The rank up system hooked me just based on concept, and I'd love to be able to stream this and give it some face time even as someone who's never finished FF7 completely and only got through like, Disc 1 of Gjoerulv's hardcore mod (in a semi-race, no less.)

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1446 on: 2015-06-03 13:38:11 »
Installed the flevel hotfix. Game soft locks when I touch a save point, complete with a bunch of gibberish in the text boxes. Happens regardless of which mode I'm on or whether I have the menu overhaul or not. Gonna try another clean install and see if things change.

Edit: Still no good. Hmmm. If I hit menu fast enough, I can save, but the game will still soft lock unless I quit and reload. Loading at a save point doesn't trigger the extended options.

I tested every single one but maybe I missed one? Which save point is it?

How long do you reckon until the gameplay balance is finished? The rank up system hooked me just based on concept, and I'd love to be able to stream this and give it some face time even as someone who's never finished FF7 completely and only got through like, Disc 1 of Gjoerulv's hardcore mod (in a semi-race, no less.)

It'll take me a couple of weeks, I still need to finish my playthrough.

Edit: Found the busted save point, it's the very first one. I'd actually not intended to change that one but I must have pasted in the script there and forgotten about it. Goddammit. I'll fix the patch today.

Edit 2: Patch is up, I just went ahead and turned the 1st Reactor save point into an Extended one. But, eh, now that I'm writing this I may have forgotten to dummy out the Rank-Up option which is going to teleport the player to the Nibelheim Reactor if they use it.

...I'd recommend saving your game before you (inevitably) use it out of curiosity.
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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1447 on: 2015-06-03 17:44:32 »
Junon Leagues is currently only two brackets. I don't think it's a guaranteed Gold, even with the S-Ranks + avoiding the script glitch. You might need to reset your RNG after each attempt; when loading the save file, fight a random battle to change it.
Still not working^^
Seems like a dead end.

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1448 on: 2015-06-03 18:05:42 »
You've definitely got a Wonderful yellow to breed with the Black, right?

Maybe I should just add a sidequest that rewards a Gold at the end of it ;I

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Re: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v1.3)
« Reply #1449 on: 2015-06-03 19:21:51 »
Haha, thanks for the quick response, Sega Chief. I'll let you know how great the trip to Nibelheim is. I'm guessing I'd better test it with every save point unless it's some kind of global element that effects all extended save points? I don't mind testing it again once you do have Rank Up in place (hah).

On the idea of a quest to get a Gold Chocobo, assuming you're seriously considering it, maybe you could do a chain fetch quest that uses NPCs placed in some of the Materia Caves? Possibly only after obtaining the materia.

Edit: Yup, took the challenge at the first save and ended up in the Nibel reactor. Huzzah. Funny thing is that leaving the room sends you straight to the cut-scene at the second mako reactor bombing mission. Game just dumps you right before you would activate the bomb, since that's where the cut-scene should leave you.

Also, any ETA for the Arrange beta test for materia bonuses and penalties?
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