[FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods and Modding Framework-The Reunion [R06f]

[DLPB_]

Let's clear some things up

1. 9 years is a bit of a misnomer - as much of that time has been filled with long gaps of inactivity as Japanese speakers have lives to lead and thus it's been an on-going process.

2. The "Form v Formation" thing, as others have pointed out, is entirely due to space considerations (the menu looks CRAP having "Formation") .  The very idea you can't learn the odd new word or phrase in a menu is ridiculous.  Also, Order is used on another menu.  I have been very careful and consistent. Do you not imagine that in 9 years I haven't triple and quadruple checked this - and discussed it ad nauseam with the end user?

3. That query and every other query in the last 2 days has been raised before.  It's the reason I specifically do not accept any feedback on non dialogue (and even dialogue feedback is out of the question given I get feedback from Charlie Beer, Luksy, and Covarr - and we'd be here for 1000 years if I started allowing that).  With any professionally made game, you do not have a direct dial up to the author to air your gripes and demand things be changed.

This retranslation is going to be no different from this point on. The only people I will be accepting feedback from are Covarr, Luksy, Charlie Beer, Green Goblin, and Caledor. These people are directly associated with this project.  Although there are a few people on my own discord server that I'd happily discuss issues with.

This thread is not here to ask for changes, or demand changes, or air gripes.  It's here for things that are genuine mistakes.  Spelling mistakes would be considered a bug, for example - as it is factually a mistake - not a preference.

Items in Green (but especially red) in The Reunion Database are up for discussion - IF you have some evidence they are wrong.

tl;dr  This thread is not a wish list and I am long long past accepting requests.

On the plus side, R06 allows the executable (menu) text to be changed from a simple text document in realtime - along with box width changes - so you can do it yourself. I slaved away, so you can come here bitching.

[marsrunner]

Every time I look at this forum to check on the Reunion's progress, I am also nervous that one too many people are going to be rude or demanding of you and you're just going to say "Forget it, I'm only releasing this to the people who have worked on it!" I wouldn't blame you, actually. It must get tedious responding to (or even just reading) questions from people who are jumping in at the tail end and clearly haven't tried to learn anything about the project by just, ya know, reading the actual thread they are replying to. They can't be bothered to read a thread but you are supposed to put in all the time you have, gratis, and continue to answer the same questions over and over again. How do you do it? And why?

[DLPB_]

There's no danger of that - but I think I am going to have to put a statement on main post explaining the reason why people may be being ignored.

I've got a lot of patience and dedication - but clearly diplomacy is long gone with certain queries.  R06 isn't too far away.   

[bigsassy]

Items in Green (but especially red) in The Reunion Database are up for discussion - IF you have some evidence they are wrong.

One last thing, then.  You should change the color on the "Form" entry from green to something that shows it's not up for discussion.

[DLPB_]

One last thing, then.  You should change the color on the "Form" entry from green to something that shows it's not up for discussion.

It's never been in green.  It's always been in White.

Additionally, it even tells you why it's been cut short:

たいけい   "Lit. Battle Formation
[Cut due to space limit]"   Form

[bigsassy]

When I looked at the spreadsheet entry yesterday before posting it was highlighted green for me.  It's the only reason why I waded into the conversation.  It was a different shade of green, so maybe someone else reading the spreadsheet had highlighted it by selecting the cells?

Anyway, my mistake and my bad

And thanks for all the work on this.  I'm really looking forward to R06.

[Salk]

DLPB,

I, like many others, have been long time fans and supporters of this great project. I know I have not earned or acquired any right to give suggestions or advice but, hoping to not do any harm discussing the Formation/Order/Form choice, I was wondering: could "Lineup" perhaps be a word that may fit well in this case?

Godspeed and thanks for all the work!

[DLPB_]

Hi, Salk.

Lineup works - but it's more related to starting members than to a formation.  It's not really a definite direct synonym (in football - starting lineup). Even if you can take it that way, it's no more than a preference over Form. It doesn't make any real difference.

This is moot regardless, because R06 let's you change exe text with notepad.  So people can do whatever they want.

https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/form

Form is literally correct.

[Salk]

Hello DLPB,

thanks for your reply. What you say makes perfect sense to me. Thanks for the clarification.

We are all looking forward to celebrating R06 together once it's out. I know there will be R07 but R06 is a milestone of capital importance.

Cheers!

[Perfect Zell]

Yes. Please keep up the good work DLPB and the entire Reunion team. I for one am also very much looking forward to the next release. The previous 2 releases revitalized my interest in modding the PC version of Final Fantasy VII. I empathize with the fact that you have been working on a labor of love for so long and yet, like Rodney Dangerfield, you get no respect.

[Bzduras]

I've just registered to say "thank you", Reunion really ignited the long lost love for the series (mostly due to the poor ports that SE is into nowdays) in my heart and I can't be more excited to see R06 in the future.

[damerell]

i'm a native British speaker

I'm pretty sure DLPB is also a native British English speaker, and your English is terrible - your posts in this thread have misspelled words, incorrect grammar, run-on sentences punctuated only with commas sprinkled at random, a general lack of capital letters, and so forth. The very expression "native British speaker" is not particularly idiomatic.

... that said, I think "Form" is a bit awkward, too. I know, not taking feedback, but is there room for "Form." making it clear "Formation" has been abbreviated?

[LordUrQuan]

... that said, I think "Form" is a bit awkward, too. I know, not taking feedback, but is there room for "Form." making it clear "Formation" has been abbreviated?

Room, yes, but that would make it visually inconsistent (it would become the only choice with a punctuation mark). 

[damerell]

Room, yes, but that would make it visually inconsistent (it would become the only choice with a punctuation mark).

I suppose I would say that it would be the only choice with a punctuation mark because it is the only choice that has been truncated.

[DLPB_]

Again, this is moot. You can change text manually in R06.   

Also, Form is a word - it is a synonym for formation and for order / arrangement.

[Ver Greeneyes]

Apologies, I can't resist putting in my 2 cents. I think 'form' is only synonymous with ordering / arranging as a verb. Form as a noun doesn't really come close - only definition 10 on Merriam-Webster is remotely similar. Even as a verb it's not intuitive - you can 'form' a line, but only 'form up' really comes close to 'getting into formation'. It's tricky, but I think either 'order' (as in sorting order) or 'lineup' (the starting lineup for battles) would work much better.

[youffie]

Hello to all, I was just wandering, I saw there is this Mod out there called Project Omnislash, and I saw that it uses DLPB Reunion Menu and I was wondering
Does it have permission for that ?
Is it another mod but that look exactly like reunion menus ?

Just curious before I download anything, one can never be sure.

[DLPB_]

Order can't be used - it's used elsewhere.  And, yes, I am using it as a verb - or as a shortened noun.  You guys can use whatever you want with R06.

No matter what you use it is never going to do the Japanese justice -   Battle Formation

Come on, people.  A whole page dedicated to the word Form? This isn't Sesame Street.

[DLPB_]

What a piece of work is a man, how noble in reason, how infinite in faculties, in form and moving how express and admirable, in action how like an angel, in apprehension how like a god.

Shakespeare says case closed. 

[lucidusatra]

Hey, I love the translation. I just want to report, I checked the "American English" box when I was installing, but I've still encountered a few instances of characters saying "different to" instead of "different from." I wish I'd written down when I saw it the first time, but I know the second time it was Tifa talking to Rufus when you first meet him on top of Shinra HQ. Anyway, it's not a huge deal, I just thought I'd mention it. Is there a way I can go in and correct those lines myself, or do I need to wait for the next version of Reunion?

[Ver Greeneyes]

'Form' there means either 'shape' or something like grace/posture, so I'm not sure how it strengthens your case? Anyway I've said what I wanted to say, it doesn't bother me either way.

[DLPB_]

A formation is a shape (of your units/men as a group).  It's a form - hence the name.  We're arguing semantics here at this point.  The bottom line is that there is no better word that will fit that box other than Form - unless you want to cheat and use "row" - but I think that's less clear - and Position likely has the same problem as Formation.  Too long.

So we're stuck with Form - which is a word that means exactly what it should. 

It's bizarre that we're still even debating this one word in a menu - esp when you can just change it yourselves.

[Ver Greeneyes]

A formation is the shape of a group - a way to position individual entities within it. A form is the shape of an single entity - it doesn't mean the same as formation unless you squint enough to blur everyone together. I'm only debating this because I don't think the arguments you're putting forward are valid; leaving them uncontested feels like leaving a dangling thread. The decision itself doesn't bother me.

[DLPB_]

Again, a formation is a shape.

If you want to be ultra specific then even the Japanese doesn't work - because one person can't be in a formation.  A formation is literally the shape of your army / infantry.  Its arrangement.  The option itself refers to your group as a whole - not one person. 

a group of people or things in a particular arrangement or pattern.
"they sat in orderly ranks in a circular formation"
synonyms:   configuration, arrangement, pattern, array, alignment, positioning, disposition, order, ordering, organization, design, marshalling, grouping, layout, format
"the aircraft were flying in tight formation"

It doesn't apply to one person.

formation
an arrangement of people or things acting as a unit

There is nothing whatsoever wrong with the word Form - and I think most people know it means formation or position of the members in battle. 

Regardless, the alternatives to Form are worse.   

I'm moving on.

[Kuraudo.]

Party (FFIX docet) or Array. However, boring topic. I agree with DLPB.

Btw quick questions for DLPB:

▝ After reading first page regarding Model Overhaul (which is already a good improvement staying loyal to FFVII) was wondering if is there anything planned in future for Reunion to give a graphic boost such as Remako HD backgrounds?

▝ Are there any chances to see changed some of FFVII oddities (such as an empty box) or the politic is to keep it as per original? Just curiosity.

▝ Another example of oddities, what do you think about Test 0 fight: this random battle appears in the early Japanese version of the game, as well as a hidden red figure seems to be present in the layers of Corel Prison with again an empty box.


Don't get me wrong, I'm mentioning these things just due to the passion for the game that most of us share.
Just for the sake of it and of seeing an unfinished work/side quest comes to reality where possible without forcing in something weird/not loyal.