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Title: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: kaspar01 on 2011-05-15 21:40:27
Hello guys I'm new here.

I'm developing whith some friends a little project and I found in this forum a lot of wonderful stuffs.

I succeeded in exporting most of the combat model and all the background images from the game and movie clips..and last (few minutes ago) NPCs..

my problem is whith G.F. models.

I found for example the Ifrit boss model and model from all G.F. you can fight before obtain them..
what about other GFs? Where and how can I extract for example Shiva , Siren , Eden etc..(I'd like export animation too if possible..)

The only thing i found are those files from folder battle:
mag184_d.dat (99kb)
mag184_e.dat (56kb)
mag184_f.dat (1kb)
mag184_g.dat (1kb)
mag184_h.dat (98kb)
mag184_i.dat (1kb)


in mag184_d.dat (99kb) i found these textures(seems to be texture for the model):
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg508/scaled.php?server=508&filename=mag184dout.png&res=gal)texture 0
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg716/scaled.php?server=716&filename=ffdtex1.png&res=gal)texture 1
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg651/scaled.php?server=651&filename=ffdtex2.png&res=gal)texture 2
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg28/scaled.php?server=28&filename=ffdtex3.png&res=gal)texture 3

and in mag184_h.dat (98kb) i found these:
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg198/scaled.php?server=198&filename=mag184hout.png&res=gal)Text0
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg51/scaled.php?server=51&filename=ffdtex1.png&res=gal)Text1
which are supposed to be textures for ice effects of Shiva's attack

well.. i guess in mag184_e.dat(56kb) there is something interesting but I was not able to find out what and I hope someone in this forum can  :|

Aniway i found similar groups of files which seems to be related whith G.F. animation:
mag186.. .dat should be Odin
mag190.. .dat should be Doomtrain
mag217.. .dat should be Gilgamesh (not sure)
mag325.. . dat Odin and Gilgamesh (i guess this is related to Odin's death animation..)

I found even Quezacotl textures but no model or animation in files related to mag115:

mag115_h.00(65kb)
mag115_h.01(66kb)
mag115_h.02(9kb)
mag115_h.03(34Kb)
mag115_h.04(17Kb)
..until..
mag115_h.20(13kb)
mag115_h.21((33Kb)
mag115_h.22(96kb)

but i found something only in files .00 , 01 , 02 ,03 ,04 ,06 , 09 , 11 , 13 , 14 , 17 , 18 , 21 (the following textures)

(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg5/scaled.php?server=5&filename=mag115h00.png&res=gal) (http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg19/scaled.php?server=19&filename=mag115h01.png&res=gal) (http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg196/scaled.php?server=196&filename=mag115h02.png&res=gal)

(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg121/scaled.php?server=121&filename=mag115h03.png&res=gal) (http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg41/scaled.php?server=41&filename=mag115h04.png&res=gal)

(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg59/scaled.php?server=59&filename=mag115h06.png&res=gal) (http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg15/scaled.php?server=15&filename=mag115h09.png&res=gal) (http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg233/scaled.php?server=233&filename=mag115h11.png&res=gal)

(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg828/scaled.php?server=828&filename=mag115h13.png&res=gal) (http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg263/scaled.php?server=263&filename=mag115h14.png&res=gal) (http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg109/scaled.php?server=109&filename=mag115h17.png&res=gal) (http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg857/scaled.php?server=857&filename=mag115h18.png&res=gal) (http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg715/scaled.php?server=715&filename=mag115h21.png&res=gal)

even in this case some files have a mysterious content for example mag115_h.22(96kb)


I hope someone can help me  :'(


P.S.

sorry for my bad english  ;D















Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: Vgr on 2011-05-16 00:25:25
You extracted the archive before right? I am working on a similar project too but because of (lots of) issues like this one, I almost gave up. Until someone help me out. Well, no matter at all.

Quote from: kaspar01 on 2011-05-15 21:40:27
sorry for my bad english  ;D

No, it's pretty good, but what is your native language?
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: kaspar01 on 2011-05-16 00:45:44
Quote from: Vgr on 2011-05-16 00:25:25
You extracted the archive before right? I am working on a similar project too but because of (lots of) issues like this one, I almost gave up. Until someone help me out. Well, no matter at all.

No, it's pretty good, but what is your native language?
italian  :-)

And yes I used unmass or garden for extraction.. i don't remember atm  :-P

I'm having trouble with NPC models too..

I googled a bit and it seems to be depending by bitrun version.. the best version should be 0.86 alpha 1 but i can't find it anywhere..
I noticed that depending on the version I use i can preview different files.. no sense XD
But now I've found Texture (no model obviously) for Siren and other missing G.F.  8)

Anyway what's your project about? I'm curious  ;D
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: Vgr on 2011-05-16 00:47:30
Well, let me find the thread... Ah! There it is : http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=11195.0
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: kaspar01 on 2011-05-16 00:54:14
Quote from: Vgr on 2011-05-16 00:47:30
Well, let me find the thread... Ah! There it is : http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=11195.0
I understand  :D

My project will be a bit more complicated  :D

We'll start whith a Demo and if the Demo will be appreciated and other ff8 fan like me and my friends will join the project we'll probably make a complete game..

It's a very ambitious project  :evil:
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: obesebear on 2011-05-16 01:37:07
To my knowledge the GF models that you don't battle against (like siren) are contained in the .exe
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: Vgr on 2011-05-16 01:38:39
I can't be 100% sure but I found them in battle.fs

Edit : Whoa battle.fs not battle.lgp...
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: kaspar01 on 2011-05-16 10:13:24
Quote from: Obesebear on 2011-05-16 01:37:07
To my knowledge the GF models that you don't battle against (like siren) are contained in the .exe
Which tool should I use for extracting files from ff8.exe?

Bitrun doesn't work  :(
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: Jaitsu on 2011-05-16 13:43:52
Quote from: kaspar01 on 2011-05-16 10:13:24
Which tool should I use for extracting files from ff8.exe?

Bitrun doesn't work  :(

extremely difficult, very little work has been done on FF8 and tools for it compared to FF7
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: Vgr on 2011-05-16 21:30:29
TimViewer (NOT TeamViewer) can view every texture into an executable. Credits goes to Colly.
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: kaspar01 on 2011-05-17 20:20:36
Quote from: Vgr on 2011-05-16 21:30:29
TimViewer (NOT TeamViewer) can view every texture into an executable. Credits goes to Colly.
the problem is that I'm looking for the models and I dont need the textures  :'(

I already extracted backgrounds from ff8.exe
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: Vgr on 2011-05-17 21:27:19
I believe we could help each other :) My msn is [email protected]
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: obesebear on 2011-05-18 00:16:50
Quote from: kaspar01 on 2011-05-17 20:20:36
the problem is that I'm looking for the models and I dont need the textures  :cry:

I already extracted backgrounds from ff8.exe

see this post http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=11858.msg164560#msg164560
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: kaspar01 on 2011-05-18 08:45:19
Quote from: Vgr on 2011-05-17 21:27:19
I believe we could help each other :) My msn is [email protected]
added ^^

Quote from: Obesebear on 2011-05-18 00:16:50
see this post http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=11858.msg164560#msg164560
I saw it but I did'nt undestrand which tool I'm supposed to use for extracting from .exe ..
You know a good tool or method?
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: kaspar01 on 2011-05-27 21:52:22
I gave up about extracting these GF models  :'(

so..

I decided to start re-modeling them by myself  :evil:


Here my first attempt about Quetzal (remember it's still WIP!)

(http://www.zbrushcentral.it/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=710.0;attach=6011;image)

I'm a newbie in 3d-modeling (just start a week ago) but I hope to learn soon how to produce good 3d models  :-)
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: sl1982 on 2011-05-27 22:19:29
How do you plan on getting them back into the game? Nice work by the way.
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: Vgr on 2011-05-27 22:23:45
..... Aali's driver?
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: sl1982 on 2011-05-27 22:47:54
Quote from: Vgr on 2011-05-27 22:23:45
..... Aali's driver?

Any proof to back this up? Or is it just speculation?
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: Vgr on 2011-05-28 00:22:07
Both of this. First, Aali's driver has an option for loading textures for FF7, and secondly, I don't know if it does for FF8. Aali, please come to my rescue!
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: kaspar01 on 2011-05-28 00:46:05
Quote from: sl1982 on 2011-05-27 22:19:29
How do you plan on getting them back into the game? Nice work by the way.

That's not my plan  ;)

I'm workin' on something different ;D

when I'll have something to show I'll post some screenshot or videos  :-)   (but there is  still a lot of work to do  :roll: )
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: sl1982 on 2011-05-28 00:54:59
Quote from: Vgr on 2011-05-28 00:22:07
Both of this. First, Aali's driver has an option for loading textures for FF7, and secondly, I don't know if it does for FF8. Aali, please come to my rescue!

Textures are not the same as models.
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: zenamistress on 2012-01-25 20:01:15
Hi kaspar01!
I was wondering that could u send me ur quez model so i could skin it, and make a nice papercraft model of it? im now doing a shiva 3d model as no 1 could get the summon vids out of the game this far :( but im hopping the best always.
my email is [email protected]
thx a bunch!
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: zenamistress on 2012-01-25 21:11:51
ohh yea and i found some other skins as well, here are them:

https://rapidshare.com/files/2677494121/FOUND.zip

Ive found skins of: shiva, siren, doomtrain, pandemona, (diablos sigils :D ), minimog, chocobo(fat and simple maybe i dunno yet), gilgamesh(ooooh theres a lot of skins for him :D ) Im thinking of redoing them in 3ds max if u know a better prog for it tell me its a bit too complicated for me :( if i manage to do so i will share my creations with u guys ofcourse.  8-)

http://s1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: zenamistress on 2012-01-25 21:43:21
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/3-1.jpg)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex1-14.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/3.jpg)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex1-13.png)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex1-12.png)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex2-6.png)
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: zenamistress on 2012-01-25 21:44:21
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex3-6.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex4.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/9.jpg)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex1-11.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex2-5.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex23.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex3-5.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex1-10.png)
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: zenamistress on 2012-01-25 21:48:08
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex10-3.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex11-1.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex2-4.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex3-4.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex1-9.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex1-8.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex10-2.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex11.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex2-3.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex3-3.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex5.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex1-7.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex10-1.png)
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: zenamistress on 2012-01-25 21:49:14
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex3-2.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex2-2.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex6-1.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex7-1.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex8-1.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex9-1.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex1-6.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex1-5.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex10.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex3-1.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex2-1.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex6.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex7.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex8.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex9.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/mag095_bout-1.jpg)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/mag095_bout.jpg)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/8.jpg)
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: zenamistress on 2012-01-25 21:50:10
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex1-4.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/mag290_hout.jpg)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex1-3.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex2.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex3.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/shiva.jpg)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/mag094_bout-1.jpg)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex1-2.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/mag094_bout.jpg)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex1-1.png)

So if some1 has some ideas os these please do post :)
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: zenamistress on 2012-01-25 22:09:05
ohh yeah and i found this very nice shiva remodell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P-grPFh9as&feature=BFa&list=FLg7qwVBpQJ4JAmJrRBuyLNA&lf=mh_lolz

COMEON PPL WORK WITH ME HERE :D
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: obesebear on 2012-01-26 17:02:40
Jesus Christ...  Did you really need to make 10 separate posts back to back that only have texture rips in them?
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: sl1982 on 2012-01-28 18:18:33
Where did you find these textures and why are they posted here?
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: zenamistress on 2012-01-28 20:39:46
umm sorry i coulndt upload it in one but the forum freeze... but if u so hate my progress take em down just wanted to make modellers life simpler...  :(
i didnt know where to post simply ive looked fore related posts but no luck O.o and ive ripped em from the battle files and exported them with noesis.
:s haaah :( do tell me where to put my stuff then. But Im gettin less enthusiastic here............
U know i though that u would be happy that i found finally some textures for gf-s.
i dont wanna be unpolite here but ive done a lot of effort in this to find them ive unarchived the frickin battle.fs with about 3-4 kind of programs in various ways and not just once because as i see it, when done it can fail to unarch. the files badly so thats how ive come to my findings. i will continue my prowess, altough im in need a better unarchiver for ff8. if u have some tips than pls do give em im open to anything to achive a siren remodel :)
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: sl1982 on 2012-01-29 00:05:59
So what exactly are you trying to do with these textures? Redo them? As it is right now we have no way of inserting these textures back into the game reliably. Trust me I have looked. I do know aali was working on something but I cannot see anyone redoing these until he has it functioning (which is much harder then you may think)
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: DLPB_ on 2012-01-29 00:38:16
@zenamistress I think your work is a step in right direction but for now have to wait until there is a way of editing them back in.

Of course I am sure someone will find them useful.
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: zenamistress on 2012-01-29 13:26:08
Im gona rebuild those gf models that we dont have only the texture(for some that is :S) thats what i need help for. maybe in the future some 1 will remake the whole game in high quality then my models could come handy i know that it cant be inserted back ive browsing these forums for a while its quite sad tooo should i maybe open a new topic for his? or is this one alright?
Ohh yeah if some1 happen to find the following missing textures that i need pls inform me:
- Carbunlce
- Alexander
- Eden
- Phoenix
- Moomba

So as you guys can see that really not much but i didnt find a trace of em yet.
Whats on my to do list is:
- shiva
- Siren
- pandenoma
- Doomtrain
- Gilgamesh
- Boko
- Fat Chocobo
- Minimog

And as ive said before im a papercraft artist and i really need some help in how to start to make these... im sure you know of some nice and easy methoods to remodell stuff. Ive got my self a 3Ds max 9 and a corel 11 for the job. And im doing some tutors on how to make models, but i dont have any ideas on these on the to do list.
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: zenamistress on 2012-10-29 10:33:54
So found some more textures so if any1 wants to join me in the GF recreation project or Project Shiva as i call it they are more than welcome to PM me   :-D

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ffdtex1-15.jpg) (http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/mag139h00.jpg)
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: LeonhartGR on 2012-10-29 12:59:53
I wish this overhaul will be completed one day! <3
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: zenamistress on 2012-10-29 13:23:39
well kaspar is doing quez im doing phoenix and a guy from deviant art did shiva: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P-grPFh9as  :evil:

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/ANGELO.png)(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/ZenaMistress/MOMBAAAA.png)
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: zenamistress on 2012-10-29 14:50:10
So 3 missing textures remain:

Altough Im giving up on eden its to detailed...
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: Vehek on 2012-10-30 06:02:42
Carbuncle's textures are in mag277.tim (in magic.fs). There are actually two TIM files in that single file, the second of which is Carbuncle's texture set.

The others are tougher, because they don't use TIM files. I have a rough idea of which range of files they must be in, but no quick way of viewing them and assigning their palettes.
It'd probably be easier to look online for the textures (if that's allowed) or do some vram ripping (PSX version only?).
Title: Re: ff8 - G.F. and NPC
Post by: zenamistress on 2012-10-30 09:52:31
Quote from: Vehek on 2012-10-30 06:02:42
Carbuncle's textures are in mag277.tim (in magic.fs). There are actually two TIM files in that single file, the second of which is Carbuncle's texture set.

The others are tougher, because they don't use TIM files. I have a rough idea of which range of files they must be in, but no quick way of viewing them and assigning their palettes.
  • A few of Eden's textures are in mag205_b.01 (in magic.fs), the rest appear to be in mag205_b.03 (in battle.fs)
  • Alexander's textures seem to be in mag203_b.05 and mag203_b.06 (both in battle.fs).
It'd probably be easier to look online for the textures (if that's allowed) or do some vram ripping (PSX version only?).

Umm Thx for your help, but kaspar sent me a nice link today which has mainl every tex file i was looking for :)
http://www.textures-resource.com/psx_ps2/FFVIII/index.html