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Title: For the attention of the admin
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-05-28 23:35:24
Don't care anymore.  Have to learn to ignore idiots.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Flunky on 2009-05-28 23:55:14
Just trying to set the record straight here.   You came to TLS proclaiming what you thought was wrong with the original FFVII script, and when you got criticism you ended up throwing a huge shitfit. 

You don't want "help."  You want people to do your bidding.  Big difference.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-05-28 23:56:03
I'm not the one signing up to other peoples forums trying to ruin threads.  With respect, I left your forum, so please f*** off back to it.  You have no moral high ground, because you have puposely signed up to wind me and the forum up.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Silvers on 2009-05-28 23:57:48
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Let me slice this one at you. I have now spoke to 4 japanese speaking people, 2 at qhimms. All 3, apart from the one here are in agreement that flunkies is incorrect

Thats right, in agreement. So that means 3-1 OVER RULED.

Since I am asking a number of people and then making a decision based as a group, flunkies is history. Not because I say so, but because the majority says so and I have the final word on it. And WE say bye bye to it. It is wrong.

I wont indulge ignorance. I will be back here when I need help with the translation. If anyone wants to lend their hand to the project then they are free to do so. If they dont then the translation will go based on those who have had input.

Dont be so arrogant as to assume you know more than the other 3 japanese I have spoke to. That isnt good for this project and how we are to progress in making this game better, rather than argue about a rather daft word.

This is a direct quote from yours truly, and how he treated the forum. He called the members ignorant arrogant assholes (there are more posts for this proof) and basically told us that no matter what we suggested, it was already decided. So he basically joined the forum to get even more agreement on something. There was no room for discussion with him. He simply wouldn't have it. When we tried to ask questions about his sources, he ignored us, continued to call us ignorant and then left the forum in a hissy fit only befitting of a 6 year old.

Your honor I have more proof, but I think that post there explains itself.

:)
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-05-28 23:58:31
yes and that was after 50 posts by you lot winding me up.  one look at the current posts will confirm what you lot are like, all discussing how to wind me up and bring the argument here for starters, including the so called mods again.


As I said, this is NOT your forum.  Please go away.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Silvers on 2009-05-29 00:02:37
Is that how you turn away new guests? At least TLS was welcoming you and put up with your arrogant "this is my way" attitude, we never told you to get out.

Seriously, can you act more childish?
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Ryushikaze on 2009-05-29 00:04:47
Seifer, I didn't join to try and ruin any threads, not did anyone else from The forums. I joined because I saw you misrepresenting the forum and the people in it as 'ignorant fanboys', when you were the one acting unreasonable throughout the thread.

http://thelifestream.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1634

For the consideration of the admins reviewing this.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-05-29 00:04:54
Well if you carry on I will just move the discussion to my own forum.  We aren't daft and no one is playing games.  Go back to your own forum.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Aali on 2009-05-29 00:06:20
However you solve this petty argument of yours, don't make a big deal out of it in this forum.
I don't think any of our other members really care about who did what on TLS, I know I don't.

Calm down, grow up and let it go.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-05-29 00:08:50
Ok aali, I agree.,  I wont be responding to the culprits while I am here but please can somone keep an eye open and remove any trouble makers.  They all seem to be registering.

Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Ryushikaze on 2009-05-29 00:09:44
Carry WHAT on, Seifer? You were not wound up, you reacted in a ridiculous manner to what was nominally the purpose of the thread. You asked for second opinion, people gave it to you, you didn't like that, so kept referring to flunkies not being a 'well known English word', Japanese speakers you refused to source despite a number of direct requests to do so, and eventually left the forum in a hissy fit trying to erase all evidence of your shame.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Silvers on 2009-05-29 00:10:56
Yes, please remove any additional registering members, that seems a valid reason for a budding forum.

Mods, Admins, Seifer here is crying wolf because he found an opinion that didn't match his own, and when he couldn't assimilate our forum, he's now talking smack behind our backs here.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: CarnageHeart on 2009-05-29 16:13:00
I'm no admin, and I'm still new on these forums, but damn it all of you need to stop acting like children.

Yes he was out of line for the posts on your forums, asking for help and then demanding that you see things his way.

But you're no more right to bring the fight back over here to prove what kind of a point? The point of "Oh, I can go over to these forums and continue the fight."? I mean seriously, other than maybe some slight self-gratification what the heck would you really accomplish if you won any kind of an argument over this?

The same goes for you too Seifer (I assume it's Seifer, whoever DLPB is on the Lifestream's forums), seriously, don't go some where asking for help and then say "NO U!" or any other kind of 4Chan kiddy drama BS. If you think it may be off or dead wrong, give good reason and examples WITH PROOF of why it's wrong, otherwise just say "Hey, I don't think thats quite right, I'm gonna go with this one.", don't go and start bashing other people. Either you work with them and listen to what they have to say, or do like you did and go find other translators that "agree" with each other, and I use agree loosely, because as was said, a direct translation can be very bland and take away flavor for the storyline and characters. People will always translate differently. Even fansubbed anime is not a completely direct translation, it's the translation that the group decides best captures the characters and storyline, that's why there's so many different groups doing it. Hell I'm speaking English here and there's no need to translate for the majority of the people reading this, and there will still be people who will throw this little bit way out of context.

Any way, the whole point of my post is basically STFU and drop it, because there is no benefit to winning a fight over something as trivial as this.

"Winning an argument on the internet is like winning the Special Olympics... even if you win, you're still retarded."
     -The Intarwebs

To the admins/mods, I apologize if I got a little too saucy in this post, feel free to do a bit of censoring if you wish.

EDIT: By the way... I will not be responding to any reply's to my post unless it's to an admin or 100% can't go without a response.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-05-29 16:32:59
They more than proved what they were about by coming here mate.  Try conversing with militant fanboys....it isn't good for the health.  But I have moved on, let;'s hope they can.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Ryushikaze on 2009-05-29 19:22:13
The fact that you keep referring to us as 'militant fanboys', I think, is more than enough evidence that you aren't over it.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: CarnageHeart on 2009-05-29 20:46:36
And the fact that anyone is even replying to this anymore is more than proof enough that no one is over it.

NOW DROP IT

Can someone please lock or delete this topic?
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Jari on 2009-05-29 22:43:50
(http://borgborg.org/facepalm.jpg)
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: obesebear on 2009-05-29 22:45:00
Hey hey, look who's back ^
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Psychotic Ninja on 2009-05-29 22:47:27
I come back and I get no praise, just to show people how much of an unknown I am, but it doesn't bother me at all.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: obesebear on 2009-05-29 22:52:27
Sorry, I just remember Jari having a real knack for getting rid of the more annoying people on the forums, so everyone else can enjoy themselves and engage in meaningful discussion.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Psychotic Ninja on 2009-05-29 22:55:55
You know, I've never understood why "sad Jari" is, or was, a guest and that (s)he made the rules that we all follow (and love). Is he like the 'Ultimate Admin' or what?
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Jari on 2009-05-29 23:08:16
I come back and I get no praise, just to show people how much of an unknown I am, but it doesn't bother me at all.

Awwwww  :-D

Hug? :-P

Hey hey, look who's back ^

Yeah, been busy with this weird thing called real life. Can't and won't comment on it in detail, but the last year has been like something out of Bold and the Beautiful for me. Except the beautiful. And the bold. But lots of drama for sure. I had no idea that things like that even happen in real life - it went from... well, can't say, sowwy. But bizarre it was.

Anyways, being my birthday and all, I figured this thread had enough condensed stupid for me to post in. :-D

I've been reading - more or less - the whole time, though.

You know, I've never understood why "sad Jari" is, or was, a guest and that (s)he made the rules that we all follow (and love). Is he like the 'Ultimate Admin' or what?

(http://borgborg.org/DSC_0446-Edit.jpg)

Why, yes I am. Don't I look like one? :lol:
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Kalekka on 2009-05-29 23:40:03
I have no intention of starting any trouble here. I have been a member of TLS for a few months, but I was not involved in this little soire. I'm sure DLPB will automatically label me a militant fanboy, or an ignorant asshole for simply posting at this forum in defense(if you really want to call it that)of the forum I attend's community, but hey, what can you do?

I don't think there should be a drawn-out argument from either the involved members of TLS or Seifer Almasy, but please don't act as if the members of that forum have no right to defend themselves. They aren't looking to win some petty e-fight, they wanted to make sure that there was some balance here, not just Seifer/DLPB going around slandering our forum's reputation where no one could see what he had done.
 
The members there were more than polite initially; the proof is in the pudding. They were snarky with him, but only after he started antagonizing them -and why? Because they didn't adhere to his rigid, and let me emphasize my use of rigid opinion on the matter. He went there seemingly for help, but rewarded their efforts to do just that -assist him- with insults and accusations, and called them all idiot fanboys who were unable to comprehend his superior knowledge of the subject at hand.
  
And then after he made a rude farewell post, he attempted to erase all of his other ones, undoubtedly to destroy evidence of his poor conduct, and came here to talk badly of them and act as if he were a victim of militant fanboys out to get him, an attitude which he continues to display.
 
There is no invasion taking place here. You may think it childish and pointless, but it isn't your rep on the line. Alll the involved party wanted was a a balanced account, and now that they have, we will let Seifer/DLPB's words and actions speak for themselves. Likewise for the involved at TLS.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-05-29 23:41:28
The fact so many of you are enlisting here and furthermore are carrying on debate including winding me up in my threads means you have lost all moral highground,  I will not be posting in this thread again or acknowledgeing the existence of people who don't even know what a mod site is.

I ask that members here and the admin keep a watch over these people and stop them ruining yet more threads and wasting our time because they are good at it.

To the members of lifestream forums:  This is not your forum.  You have no right to come here with the intention of ruining my threads or carrying on your pathetic vendettas.  Stay to your own forum if you dont like mods.  Stop wasting everybodies time, no body cares what happened on that forum. it has nothing to do with here.

Please can someone remove this thread also :)
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Kalekka on 2009-05-29 23:44:18
No one is winding you up. :/ Don't lie about people and slander them behind their backs, and they won't get upset for it.
 
It's simple.
 
Good day to you, too.
 
(And only about four people out of 300 registered here. And this thread is related to this issue. I haven't disrupted anything. :()
 
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To the members of lifestream forums:  This is not your forum.  You have no right to come here with the intention of ruining my threads or carrying on your pathetic vendettas.  Stay to your own forum if you dont like mods.  Stop wasting everybodies time, no body cares what happened on that forum. it has nothing to do with here.


No one cares except us and you, apparently. If you didn't, why lie and represent only 10% of the truth? Why bring your outside business here? Why continuously and compulsively reply over and over, editing previous posts to make yourself look better? There is no pathetic vendetta, there is you sir, lying and being a complete jerk, and members from TLS thinking the least they can due is provide the time, place and most importantly the content, in its entirety for review.
 
Even in this thread, on this forum, who is being rude? Who is being childish, and repeatedly insulting people? You, Seifer/DLPB. Most certainly you.
 
You might want to edit your posts, again, to make your status as victim#1 a little more apparent. Stop talking down to and insulting people. I haven't done anything of the sort to you. Everything I have accused you of doing here is something you have done. There is evidence.
 
The same can not be said of you. All you've done is lie, antagonize, and treat people you solicited for assistance with contempt. And that undue contempt came before they ever said one thing ill of you. The proof is there, you've failed to erase it by editing out your posts.
 
I hope you'll get over it now.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Jari on 2009-05-30 00:13:20

The members there were more than polite initially; the proof is in the pudding. They were snarky with him, but only after he started antagonizing them -and why? Because they didn't adhere to his rigid, and let me emphasize my use of rigid opinion on the matter. He went there seemingly for help, but rewarded their efforts to do just that -assist him- with insults and accusations, and called them all idiot fanboys who were unable to comprehend his superior knowledge of the subject at hand.

Not to worry. The thread in TLS is quite self-explanatory. At least I was amused to no end, and I'm pretty sure our dear admins will be, as well. I might even give them a link to it myself, as soon as they wake up, it's early-o-clock on their timezone right now.


Please can someone remove this thread also :)

Oh no, please don't. This is far too amusing.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Kalekka on 2009-05-30 00:23:56
I do apologize for coming here. I suppose it wasn't absolutely necessary. But, and I direct this at everyone who read this except Seifer/DLPB(because I know he could not possibly be convinced and I have no interest in convincing him)I really didn't come here to have some lame e-war.
 
I just, I guess I just wanted to make sure he couldn't just say whatever he wanted about the TLS community. A bit too serious, and I know I'll be laughing at this whole thing later, but now I just feel offended and discouraged. TLS is a good site, they do a lot for the Compilation's fans. 
 
I have nothing whatsoever against any of you(except DLPB, obviously), my intentions were not to instigate no matter what he says, just for fairness' sake to see that he couldn't cover his tracks and go on with his hideous attitude.
 
I'll leave you all to your business. I'm sorry to those not involved in this highly regrettable and sad development.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Jari on 2009-05-30 00:32:52
(http://borgborg.org/group_hug.jpg)
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-05-30 00:59:03
Yes I know I said I wouldnt post again but you shpould read this....

Quote from: Seifer Almasy on Today at 00:40:43
so you think it is all hilarious??  Well I dont.  They are signing up in droves and ruining the place, sort it out.
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Yes, yes I do. I think you are a pig-headed, arrogant asshat who got exactly what he deserved over at TLS.

They are not signing up in droves, and if anything, they are improving the place. (i added the underlining)

Not to mention that I couldn't do anything about it, even if I wanted to. Other than laugh with the admins. Feel free to contact them, but trust me on this - I've known them for some ten years by now; if someone is going to get kicked out, it'll be you. If I were you, I'd just shut up now.


And... try to order me around again, and I'll post every PM you sent me in public. Actually, I'd rather like to do that right now, but since I'm way too nice, I won't. Yet. Do I make myself clear?

=========

You deserve lifestream forums pal.  I have a better idea.  I will pm people here (who want to help genuinely with the project) to join my forum since I can see you and a few who have joined love the arguments and the trouble.  There is 1 guy from lifestream forums who is helping out, you and the others are simply putting fuel on the fire because you are a big tosser who gets involved with things that do not concern him.

Any reasonable person would not be in agreeance with people signing up to other forums simply to prolong trouble but then, you love it.

Well guess what, I and others here don't.  We want to crack on with some good modding, so do us all a favour and f*** off/.

There are too many nasty little pricks liek you about who derive pleasure from the wind up or the clique (i put it all down to upbringing).  I am tired of seeing you and your ilk.  Can't you get 1 forum adn all stay there?

Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Jari on 2009-05-30 01:04:55
Yes I know I said I wouldnt post again but you shpould read this....

Quote from: Seifer Almasy on Today at 00:40:43
so you think it is all hilarious??  Well I dont.  They are signing up in droves and ruining the place, sort it out.
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Yes, yes I do. I think you are a pig-headed, arrogant asshat who got exactly what he deserved over at TLS.

They are not signing up in droves, and if anything, they are improving the place. (i added the underlining)

Not to mention that I couldn't do anything about it, even if I wanted to. Other than laugh with the admins. Feel free to contact them, but trust me on this - I've known them for some ten years by now; if someone is going to get kicked out, it'll be you. If I were you, I'd just shut up now.


And... try to order me around again, and I'll post every PM you sent me in public. Actually, I'd rather like to do that right now, but since I'm way too nice, I won't. Yet. Do I make myself clear?

=========

You deserve lifestream forums pal.  I have a better idea.  I will pm people here (who want to help genuinely with the project) to join my forum since I can see you and a few who have joined love the arguments and the trouble.  There is 1 guy from lifestream forums who is helping out, you and the others are simply putting fuel on the fire because you are a big tosser who gets involved with things that do not concern him.

Any reasonable person would not be in agreeance with people signing up to other forums simply to prolong trouble but then, you love it.

Well guess what, I and others here don't.  We want to crack on with some good modding, so do us all a favour and f*** off/.



Just quoting you, before you get the bright idea to delete your post. :-D

And I assume you don't object to me posting your last PM, either? Well, actually I don't care if you do. So, here goes:

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in short you are a tosser like them.

There are a number of people here who are also in my pm who DO NOT want them here because they arent contributing and nor are you

You twat/

Oh! Almost forgot! Byebye! Please don't come back! :-D
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Pixel on 2009-05-30 01:53:11
hmmm all this over 1 word lol.

Anyway, i joined here because its an interesting forum. Ive seen the place before, but decided to join to give constructive critisism and help where possible, because i thought the ff7 translation project is something id like to see, and done properly.

I am 1 of maybe 4 people who came here from tls for the same reason, and i dont believe any of us have been rude or done anything wrong here.

The only real critisism ive made is the fact that the translation project is about making an acurate version of the japanese game... with no cait sith... does anyone else see that point?

Anyway this gets a rude response, which i dont care about. But he needs to listen to constructive critisism, instead of just labeling it as an invasion. Thats not what this is. We havent sat around saying "lets get him back, that'll show him."
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-05-30 01:58:50
no.  It isnt.

The 2 are separate projects and criticism of any mod here is not wanted.

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"lets get him back, that'll show him."

Suggest you go and read that thread at LSF
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Silvers on 2009-05-30 02:21:27
I find this whole entire thing completely hilarious really, mostly over Seifer making a mountain out of an ant hill.

Siefer came to TLS expecting us to bend over backwards about a project he's doing. I, myself, was very impressed with him replacing the chibi character models and replacing them with updated realistic version, and I stated this, I thought it was brilliant. But then a few pages down the line, it started to go wrong.

He started recommending lines to retranslate, the most famous being 'flunkies'. He continued to reiterate that this word was wrong. But you know why his reasons for it being wrong? Because he didn't know what it meant when he first saw it. The rest of us in the thread had a good time, lolled, and disagreed saying it was a well known word and that it should stay.

But he wouldn't let it go. He continued to insist on replacing the word (to clones or copies) and therefore ruining the context of which the word was used (Because Cloud and the player don't KNOW yet that they're clones/copies... they're just servants who do Seph's bidding.) And he CONTINUED on with his berating of the word, because he was embarrassed that he was the only one who didn't know what it meant.

So when he found that we still wouldn't agree, he then resorted to the name calling (ignorant arrogant assholeish fanboys anyone?) and then left if a huge tissy, trying to delete all his posts (which were later restored for lulz) because he didn't want his embarrassment to be intact. He wanted it to just be a memory (cwutididthar? :P)

After he left, we lolled in his absence, and yes talked about coming to "pin him against friends" at this forum. But not to ruin it, but more to establish the wrong picture he's painting for our reputation. He's STILL continuing with the name calling, claims he's over it, and yet tells us to gtfo his forum. Is that really the talk of someone who's over it?

Granted I came over here with hostile intentions, but the way that he continued to disagree with an opinion that wasn't his own (I still think Cait Sith shouldn't be removed) he then tells me to gtfo of HIS forum. That it's not MINE. Is that exactly a warm welcome to any member of ANY intentions? He was acting in a much childish way at TLS and we never once told him to leave because he wasn't welcomed. In fact, we encouraged him to stay and provide sources. But when he was caught in the corner and couldn't find said sources (re: 5 forums who don't know the word flunky, all agree with him, the over 9000 Japanese translators at his feet) he then realized he needed to leave and then trash talk us behind our back.

Whooo... that was a whole lot of tl;dr, but hopefully some of you will look at it that way. :)
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: CarnageHeart on 2009-05-30 16:41:29
Ok so... apparently people are either illiterate or ignorant...

Seifer, Silvers, and Kalekka...

I assume none of you are 13 years old, so please drop it. Each of you are saying you're over it, but you are all continuing it. Sure LS has a right to defend themselves, but that's where the line is drawn, DEFENSE. This argument is NOT being carried out on your forum so it is no longer defense, it is now of the attack category, being that you left your home front and came here. If this was being carried out of your forums then sure post away, but it's not. Now if you want the respect you deserve, please respect us and stop this nonsense, by continuing to post saying you're defending yourselves it goes to ruin the reputation of the LS forums. I'm sure none of you would tolerate this happening on your end so why would you expect any of us to? I'm not asking you to leave entirely, you're more than welcome to be part of this community as well if it interests you, however as I've said a few times already in a few different ways; please stop this childish nonsense, all of you. It's not doing any one any good and is really coming down to be a waste of time when you could be doing something a lot more creative, useful, productive, etc.

Seifer isn't any more right then you, and you aren't any more right than Seifer. This is an argument of opinions, it's something that will never be won. Now please, stop this, drop it, burn it, bury it. Do whatever pleases you to be able to get over this ridiculous topic.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Flunky on 2009-05-30 18:33:49
Sure LS has a right to defend themselves, but that's where the line is drawn, DEFENSE. This argument is NOT being carried out on your forum so it is no longer defense, it is now of the attack category, being that you left your home front and came here.

Tell me, what category does the continued bullshit and slander DLPB is spouting against TLS fall under?

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If this was being carried out of your forums then sure post away, but it's not. Now if you want the respect you deserve, please respect us and stop this nonsense, by continuing to post saying you're defending yourselves it goes to ruin the reputation of the LS forums.

We could have avoided all of this if the members of TLS had gotten the respect they deserved here in the first place.

If you're going to do nothing but whine about the animal DLPB decided to drag back with him, then I'd advise you to just STFU and let this fizzle out on its own.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-05-30 18:40:33
It ain't slander, you are proving it right here on this thread.  I have revisited that forum recently and have to say all this BAWWwwwww  and lulz  nonsense paints the picture of children.

I came here and said I had been busy with intolerant fanboys, that doesn't warrant you signing up here.  I have undergone SLANDER on your forum but I am not returning (you have no issue slandering me there when I cannot defend myself).  Why would I?  And more the point, why have you signed up here?  You are an intolerant fanboy and so are many from that forum, most of which seem to have signed up here to prolong it.

In short, you are proving you are intolerant fanboys when you come here polluting my threads with gibberish and telling me not to mod the game.  If you had given me a bit of respect and debated rather than ignorantly and persistently dismissing my comments, this wouldn't have happened.  One person from your forums has spoke to me in PM and he has translated the game and understood my argument.  He managed a post that only 3% of your entire lousy forum could have accomplished and we both conversed in a civilised manner.  What you boys at lifestream are about is fanboyism.  Shoving your own opinions as fact, getting all worked up over 1 word, intolerantly and aggressively seeking to derail threads and trying your best to stop any mod of "my precious game".  It became clear to me that most people on your forum aren't interested in listening or actually seeing any good in change, they are just handicapped by this misguided loyalty to the purity of the game.  It takes 2 to tango.  The majority there including some of those dreadful moderators, have no intention of actually debating or listening or accepting.   I left when I realised I was talking to a pack of THUGS.

As he said, just stop the nonsense.  Don't tell him to shut up, just because he is right; you do that too often.  When you bring your argument to another forum that is called on the offensive.  Try to grasp that simple fact.  I am glad a lot of the bad eggs have signed up here, because you have proven my point about your pathetic behaviour. (I am more pleased that 2 very good japanese speakers have signed up, who have actually contributed)

by continuing to post saying you're defending yourselves it goes to ruin the reputation of the LS forums.

< it doesnt have one anymore.  It has been sussed out.

And I really won't be back here, and if it carries on I will just move my threads to my own forum.  Learn to grow up BAawwwwwww innit.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Jari on 2009-05-30 19:48:34
If you had given me a bit of respect and debated rather than ignorantly and persistently dismissing my comments, this wouldn't have happened.

Tell me, is the sky pink in the world you live in? Because if you happen to live in the same world as the rest of us, there seems to be something very, very wrong with your perception of the events so far.

And I really won't be back here, and if it carries on I will just move my threads to my own forum.  Learn to grow up BAawwwwwww innit.

We'll be so sad.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: V on 2009-05-30 20:55:50
I came here and said I had been busy with intolerant fanboys, that doesn't warrant you signing up here.

Yes it does, since you're clearly misrepresenting the behaviour of people on TLS by, for example, dismissing the entire forum as "intolerant fanboys." In many cases this statement hilariously misses the mark with both words; for example, FFVII isn't even my third favourite game in the FF series much less my favourite game of all time, and it probably wouldn't make a list of the top 50 games I've ever played.

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I have undergone SLANDER on your forum

Where?

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And more the point, why have you signed up here?

To set the record straight about the many false and self-servingly misleading statements you made about events on TLS.

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If you had given me a bit of respect and debated rather than ignorantly and persistently dismissing my comments, this wouldn't have happened.

Your comments wouldn't have been dismissed if you had provided the information requested about the alleged Japanese translators who backed up your translations or the supposed five entire forums full of people who didn't know the definition of the word "flunky." Since you proved to be unable to back up your statements with evidence, of course they were dismissed. That's the way debates work; if you don't bother to provide evidence for your statements then they are worthless.

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What you boys at lifestream are about is fanboyism.  Shoving your own opinions as fact, getting all worked up over 1 word, intolerantly and aggressively seeking to derail threads and trying your best to stop any mod of "my precious game".  It became clear to me that most people on your forum aren't interested in listening or actually seeing any good in change, they are just handicapped by this misguided loyalty to the purity of the game.

roflcopter. Your 'arguments' were dismissed because the only person you were able to cite as backing up your opinion had also been demonstrated to have made a rather substantial grammatical error in Japanese and thus was rather suspect as a source. The members of TLS are not against all change; you received praise for your updates to the graphical hideousness that is the original game and some of your suggestions were quite well received. What members of TLS are against is change for no reason. Many of the changes you were suggesting were, in members' opinion, not improvements to the game at all and in fact directly antithetical to the vision the creators seem to have had for the game in the first place. Now because some members disagreed with that, they're "intolerant fanboys"? What?

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The majority there including some of those dreadful moderators, have no intention of actually debating or listening or accepting.   I left when I realised I was talking to a pack of THUGS.

Read: The majority of people wouldn't agree with my statements, and called me on it when I wasn't able to back them up with links or evidence, so I left.

Note that you have yet to provide as evidence a single example of a moderator posting anything inappropriate, nor did you even bother to make a single post report about anything that allegedly offended you; this despite the fact that you made several posts that quite directly flamed large portions of the forum.

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When you bring your argument to another forum that is called on the offensive.

You're the one who brought it here by posting erroneous and slanderous material about the members of TLS.

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I am glad a lot of the bad eggs have signed up here, because you have proven my point about your pathetic behaviour.

Lol you do realise the majority of people posting in this thread have taken our side, right? The only person who seems even remotely sympathetic to your arguments has been CarnageHeart, who alleges that you're acting childishly as well.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: guitar_dudester91 on 2009-05-30 21:09:36
I have to agree with Bandito!. this is very amusing. Seifer, you are so wrong and you just keep digging yourself a hole. I am a frequenter of qhimm.com. I agree with the people of The Lifestream Forums. I've been there before, and their site is great. I think you are a selfish little bitch who got babied around by his mommy when he didn't get his way. I'm glad the other LS members joined, because they brought proof with their accusations. you on the other hand just started bullshitting all of us into thinking they were wrong. Seifer, you're wrong.

And any of you Lifestream members, PM me. A friendship might be in order.  :-D
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: CarnageHeart on 2009-05-31 00:15:24
Flunky... V...

By your simply signing up for the purpose of JOINING IN on all the bs that's going on, you're making the LS forums look bad. Do you want to spread a reputation that you can't just drop bs and let it end? Just because Seifer may of bad mouthed you on here as well DOES NOT mean we all take his side. I personally am not taking sides, I've been telling all parties involved to just STFU and let it end, but it's people like you who are making this hard. We all know very well what TLS forums are and I'm sure most of us really like them... I for one have read the forums many times in the past. But if you're promoting this kind of behavior, I wonder what your admins would think? I don't think they would want members that are going around doing this kind of thing. Please think about what you're doing before you do it.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: V on 2009-05-31 01:55:44
I ask again, how does posting to correct slanderous misinformation being spread about TLS by members with grudges against anyone from TLS make TLS look bad? I couldn't care less about the drama here or picking a fight with anyone, and I sorely doubt anyone else from TLS does either. What I and others do care about is the fact that someone is flagrantly misrepresenting the events that occurred at TLS in an incredibly self-serving manner. and as long as Seifer continues to post untruths, people from TLS shall continue to correct them. It would probably be to everyone's benefit if this thread and future discussions on the topic were simply locked, but as long as Seifer continues to be allowed to spread his untruths, I can think of no valid reason for anyone from TLS to allow him to do so unopposed.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Flunky on 2009-05-31 02:16:39
Pretty much, V. 

To restate: TLS members signed up here by their own, individual volition.  This has been stated a couple of times.  It's not like we're part of some crack team of forum paratroopers that the admins have at their disposal.

I find your attempt to play peacemaker admirable, Carnage, however I'm not here because I think you personally or the forum is taking his side.  I'm here to help make sure Seifer doesn't get away with talking shit here and thinking Qhimm's admins will shield him from redress.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: V on 2009-05-31 02:51:07
Also, I just noticed this edit he made to his last post after my long rebuttal:

by continuing to post saying you're defending yourselves it goes to ruin the reputation of the LS forums.

< it doesnt have one anymore.  It has been sussed out.

lol, other people here don't seem to agree at all.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Silvers on 2009-05-31 06:05:24
I signed up to this forum for the defense of another that I love to be a part of. When I heard that Seifer was still sh*ttalking us behind our backs, assuming that he had gotten away from us, we didn't think it was fair, and I CERTAINLY wouldn't have that.

I'm a certified dramawhore, I could create far more trouble than this is worth, and my peers at TLS can atest to that.

scratch dat, i sux cox. I'll simply say, Sir Bandito, you should come to TLS. You, my friend, have made the most sense in this whole thread.

Despite the drama at TLS, I still found unresolved issues, regarding opinions about the Cait Sith project and the translations. And it seemed that my opinion didn't seem to matter unless I spoke Japanese or simply agreed with him. All in all, he basically told me to gtfo and go back to tls. Not very warm and welcome.

Regardless, I think the point has been made about Seifer and the way he acted. What I still don't get though, is why he continues to call us all ignorant fanboys (the only insult he'll throw our way) when that hardly seems to be the case. But anyway it just goes to show that no matter where you go, you can't always carry around your flunkies with you.

cwutididtar agen? :P
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: CarnageHeart on 2009-05-31 19:32:52
I ask again, how does posting to correct slanderous misinformation being spread about TLS by members with grudges against anyone from TLS make TLS look bad? I couldn't care less about the drama here or picking a fight with anyone, and I sorely doubt anyone else from TLS does either. What I and others do care about is the fact that someone is flagrantly misrepresenting the events that occurred at TLS in an incredibly self-serving manner. and as long as Seifer continues to post untruths, people from TLS shall continue to correct them. It would probably be to everyone's benefit if this thread and future discussions on the topic were simply locked, but as long as Seifer continues to be allowed to spread his untruths, I can think of no valid reason for anyone from TLS to allow him to do so unopposed.

I signed up to this forum for the defense of another that I love to be a part of. When I heard that Seifer was still sh*ttalking us behind our backs, assuming that he had gotten away from us, we didn't think it was fair, and I CERTAINLY wouldn't have that.

I'm a certified dramawhore, I could create far more trouble than this is worth, and my peers at TLS can atest to that.

scratch dat, i sux cox. I'll simply say, Sir Bandito, you should come to TLS. You, my friend, have made the most sense in this whole thread.

Did you read what I said? All you're doing is adding fuel to the fire. You guy's defended yourselves already. By continuing this it's just forum harassment. You should damn well realize that Seifer lacks a certain level of maturity, but you're no better at this point by continuing the fight after everyone already knows what happened. Not a single one of us praised Seifer for what he did, but you act like that's what happened. I've been trying to get this bs to end from the very start, but with all of you ignoring me it's like you're acting like children. You take things in the context that you want to see it in just to continue the fight which no longer has any relevant purpose.

I've made a post on your forums concerning this, and a very simple one. I didn't attack any one in it, so don't get all defensive, all it was is asking for you all to stop. Simple as that.

To quote one of your admins.

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I have to say that I'm actually kinda proud of the guys who signed up there and set the record straight on the guy.

LMAO @ the posters of Qhimms seeing how fucking wrong he was. I can't believe he'd try to slag us and expect no one to see his BS. I guess that's why he deleted his posts.

He's just digging himself deeper, and deeper. Lawl.

Notice he said he's proud of your setting the record straight? He didn't say anything about continued harassment.

I'm all fine and dandy with there being justice, however at this point it starting to be that you guys are in the wrong for being unable to drop this. I just want it to end, plain and simple.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: V on 2009-05-31 20:36:47
How does anything in this thread equate to harassment or "adding fuel to the fire"? Seifer makes false statements, we correct them. It's his choice to keep bawwwwwing about things that didn't happen. Which, since my first post, he hasn't - in fact, you are the only one continuing this at this point.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: CarnageHeart on 2009-05-31 21:08:50
How does anything in this thread equate to harassment or "adding fuel to the fire"? Seifer makes false statements, we correct them. It's his choice to keep bawwwwwing about things that didn't happen. Which, since my first post, he hasn't - in fact, you are the only one continuing this at this point.

By the continuous posting and lack of being able to get over a subject that is done and over. We all know what happened, we know Seifer went too far in what he did, and we all don't care what Seifer continues to say on the subject. But then for example, there's you, being someone who seems to not want it to end. It's done, its over, it's been concluded. There is nothing left to prove, there is no longer any point to make. Stop it, get over it, end it.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: V on 2009-05-31 23:52:22
Apparently my last post went completely over your head. You're now the one who's prolonging this by attacking people for simply defending their board. The only reason "continuous posting" is even still happening is because you keep attacking people who simply are here to make sure no one has any misunderstandings about the record being set straight. If you really all understand that Seifer is full of sh*t, then great, there's nothing further on-topic to discuss. If you really want it to end so desperately, then stop attacking us. You called me "someone who seems to not want it to end" - that's a personal attack, and it's blatantly contradicted by the fact that I advised the moderation team, who seem to be MIA, to lock this topic and all further discussion on the topic. As long as TLS or I continue to receive personal attacks in unclosed threads, I will continue to defend them. If you want this "discussion" to stop, then stop posting about it. Or at least, stop attacking people who only want to make sure the record is set straight. The last several post been haven't even been discussing events on TLS, they've just been you arguing with people who want to make sure no one has any misconceptions.

Not to mention, you evaded the question. I asked how anything in this topic equates to "forum harassment," which you explicitly called it in reply #44, or "adding fuel to the fire," which you have used several times. How does simply repeating the truth equate to harassing anyone or prolonging a debate if everyone already agrees with the truth? If there's really nothing to debate in our statements, then you attacking people for simply repeating the truth is prolonging the debate, and could conceivably be construed as harassment as well.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Jari on 2009-06-19 12:02:29
Thread hijack! :mrgreen:

Well, not really. See, I promised this Seifer Almasy fellow, that I'd publish PMs (or should that be PMS, in his case?) sent by him. Well, here goes:

you think you are intelligent but you are just a childish loser who has nothing to say.  Did you know sarcasm is a poor man's wit ;)  Well you do now.   I have met many people like you, brainless antics are always a tell tale sign

hahaha

good day

 :-P

For great justice lulz and so forth.

And... oh, please, please continue to make an ass out of yourself, I enjoy it so. :-D
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-06-19 12:14:33
Brain dead troll.   Petty little wind up merchant.  Too many of you around.  You won't recieve any more posts from me here or PM because you aren't worth it.  

Small minded prick.  You don't add anything to this community or indeed to any forum you visit.  Just another bored, mindless little baby.  if I could get my hands on you id break your neck.  Big hard man on the net eh ;)
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Jari on 2009-06-19 12:24:29
Brain dead troll.   Petty little wind up merchant.  Too many of you around.  You won't recieve any more posts from me here or PM because you aren't worth it.  

Small minded prick.  You don't add anything to this community or indeed to any forum you visit.  Just another bored, mindless little baby.  if I could get my hands on you id break your neck.

Just preserving for posterity. :-D

I do wonder what it said before the edit, though... :lol:

You'd probably want to tone down your posts, see, threats to do such things are actually illegal. And trust me, I can get your name and address, if I want to. I already know the IP you are posting from.

In all seriousness though, you are welcome to try. Very welcome. I'll post the place and the time - I get to choose them, after all, I'm being attacked here, right? - to defend my honor. If you are man of your word, you'll show up.

Sadly, as much as I enjoy this, I must go now, like I said in the other thread. I'll be back, not to worry. :)
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: MrAdults on 2009-06-19 23:36:40
Just preserving for posterity. :-D
As an outsider to whatever is going on here, I'd say you were reviving this thread for ego satisfaction and/or attention. Nothing in this thread is worth anything in terms of posterity, not even jokingly. I think it's beyond help, and should just be nuked, rather than locked. It's kind of an ugly blemish on these forums that does nothing but display immature, petty attitudes. No direct offense to anyone involved, it's just the result of an overly immature group mentality, and precisely the sort of thing any intelligent community should try to avoid.

I hope you can all learn to swallow your ego/pride and take the high road in future conversations, before dragging them out in a public display. There's a line between constructive criticism and pure antogonism, and that line was crossed here. As long as the antogonists here are still antagonizing, neither side will grow and learn from the experience.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Jari on 2009-06-19 23:54:06
Bawwwwwwww :-D

Frankly, I don't take PM abuse from asshats.

If you have read the PMs, you'll notice that he actually had the nerve to try and order me to do stuff. Too bad for him that it wouldn't have been even in my capability to do so. Had it been, I'd have told him to fuck off. I told him that if he'd try to do it again, I'll post every PM he sends me. He chose to do it himself, although apparently he forgot his latest post.

After that I've considered everything he sends to be free to publicize, at my discretion.

And yes, you are correct, it's pure antagonism, and oh so much fun. I didn't see particular need for a new thread, so I used the one where all the old ones are. Plain and simple; fuck with me, and that's what you get. It's entirely of his own doing. It's also negative reinforcement - fuck up and you'll get humiliated. It does work. For some people it's the only thing that works.

But seriously, conversations? As in the PMs he sends? Have you read them? And you still call them conversations? They are pure abuse from someone who needs serious attitude adjustment.

Under no circumstances should this thread be purged, Seifer has done enough of altering history over at the TLS already, we don't need to do it for him. He's an arrogant bastard - this much he has admitted himself - what do you think would happen if you start hiding his fuckups? He'd turn into a nice person regular human? I kinda doubt that.

If you have issues with this, I'd suggest you contact either of the admins.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-06-19 23:57:36
The guy above has no intenton of quitting or acting reasonably, he keeps hounding me all over the forum with his sly digs, sarcsm and wind up techniques (all crap like bringing this thread back) which is why I retaliated.  He is a mindless jerk who needs a good smack.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Jari on 2009-06-19 23:59:09
The guy above has no intenton of quitting or acting reasonably, he keeps hounding me all over the forum with his sly digs, sarcsm and wind up techniques (all crap like bringing this thread back) which is why I retaliated.  He is a mindless jerk.

ROFLCOPTER :-D
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-06-19 23:59:45
The guy above has no intenton of quitting or acting reasonably, he keeps hounding me all over the forum with his sly digs, sarcsm and wind up techniques (all crap like bringing this thread back) which is why I retaliated.  He is a mindless jerk.

ROFLCOPTER :-D



he also uses this perculiar 5 year old language

and yes, you are correct, it's pure antagonism, and oh so much fun.

Pretty much sums this loser up.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: obesebear on 2009-06-20 00:04:48
I swear to God these forums better not become /b/
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: MrAdults on 2009-06-20 00:09:18
If you have issues with this, I'd suggest you contact either of the admins.
I have no strong feelings on this matter. I only suggest that you take a look at yourself and your behavior (you, as in everyone involved in this antogonistic circle), and consider how it appears to other people. Also consider what meaning an approval from your peers or anyone else on these forums would actually have. Effectively, it means nothing. Neither should you be so irritated or spiteful toward anything that goes on between you and another privately - if you object to another's manner in a private conversation, simply terminate the conversation.

That said, I believe these are things that simply have to be learned (fully) through maturity. However, you should still have the courtesy at any age to consider the wider implications of your actions, and the common sense to judge whether you should be engaging in a public crusade for the sake of, well, ego masturbation. You might find that any well-thinking individual (which means, this is a bad forum to jerk off on) would only look down on you for these practices, which should have quite the opposite effect on your ego. You really gain nothing, then, except attention - if you require it so badly, I would truly recommend a venue of professional mental help.
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: Jari on 2009-06-20 00:11:17
The guy above has no intenton of quitting or acting reasonably, he keeps hounding me all over the forum with his sly digs, sarcsm and wind up techniques (all crap like bringing this thread back) which is why I retaliated.  He is a mindless jerk.

ROFLCOPTER :-D



he also uses this perculiar 5 year old language

and yes, you are correct, it's pure antagonism, and oh so much fun.

Pretty much sums this loser up.

How long ago was it that you promised never to reply to me? Few hours ago, perhaps? :-D


obesebear: You mean you don't want me to post boxxy? Aww, crap. :P

I have no strong feelings on this matter. I only suggest that you take a look at yourself and your behavior (you, as in everyone involved in this antogonistic circle), and consider how it appears to other people. Also consider what meaning an approval from your peers or anyone else on these forums would actually have. Effectively, it means nothing. Neither should you be so irritated or spiteful toward anything that goes on between you and another privately - if you object to another's manner in a private conversation, simply terminate the conversation.

That said, I believe these are things that simply have to be learned (fully) through maturity. However, you should still have the courtesy at any age to consider the wider implications of your actions, and the common sense to judge whether you should be engaging in a public crusade for the sake of, well, ego masturbation. You might find that any well-thinking individual (which means, this is a bad forum to jerk off on) would only look down on you for these practices, which should have quite the opposite effect on your ego. You really gain nothing, then, except attention - if you require it so badly, I would truly recommend a venue of professional mental help.

Awww, thank you for your considerate thought. :-D
Title: Re: For the attention of the admin
Post by: obesebear on 2009-06-20 04:53:34
> this thread is now about when /b/ was good