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The most complete art in my opinion. What are your favourite animated movies and why?
-Story
-Animation
-Music
My favourites have to be either The Prince of Egypt or Bambi. Prince of Egypt because of the great songs and story. Bambi because of the story and the theme, also because it was one of my favourites as a kid. :-P
Prince of Egypt - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GbI2Tlt55w
Bambi - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO3Y6b4neJk
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Akira :-D
Ghost in the Shell :lol:
FFVII AC :-o
BUGS life :-)
NEMO :cry:
WALL-E :roll:
The Treasure something something from Disney ( I think that was the last 2d/3d animation from them.. I think :|)
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You haven't seen Samurai X??? :-o Go see it!!
I also thought that the initial D third stage movie was excellently done.
I agree with you on GitS and FF7AC and WALL-E. All masterpieces.
It isn't really something you can describe, though, why a movie is good. It's something you have to see to understand.
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Gin iro no kami no Agito
Mononoke Hime
Aladdin
Eureka Seven pocket full or rainbows (dont know japanese name, and cba to google)
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Anime and advent children, why am I not suprised. :roll:
Akira grin
Ghost in the Shell - Good
FFVII AC - All action no story
BUGS life - All 3d movies from disney are good but in my opinion nothing stands out.
NEMO - "----"
WALL-E - "-----"
It isn't really something you can describe, though, why a movie is good. It's something you have to see to understand.
Youtube...
Gin iro no kami no Agito - Never heard about it before
Mononoke Hime - Princess monoke? One of the best anime movies for sure, but the animation isn't great.
Aladdin - A classic!
Eureka Seven pocket full or rainbows - Never heard about it, sounds lame -_-
Nii-chan no Baka!
hheheh
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May I also Add:
Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind ( correct me on this )
Mezzo Forte (forget the ecchi on this..but it makes up for the confusing story..Lots of action!)
Resident Evil 3d animation ( forgot the "R" title of it )
RahXephon Movie ( May raise eyebrows )
Old Geezer anime/cartoon:
The Last Unicorn
Transformers Animated Movie ( Optimus Prime demise!)
Bravestarr Movie
Hows that! Aniki?...
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Gin iro no kami no Agito - Never heard about it before
Mononoke Hime - Princess monoke? One of the best anime movies for sure, but the animation isn't great.
Aladdin - A classic!
Eureka Seven pocket full or rainbows - Never heard about it, sounds lame -_-
gin iro no kami no Agito is name Origin: Spirits of the past in English. wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin:_Spirits_of_the_Past It is one of the best anime movies ever made with a really great soundtrack.
Eureka 7 is also an anime. The series wich i love and the movie might be better. The movie follows a similar story to the series, but COMPLETLY different. As with most tvseries to movie adaptions in anime. rahxephon comes to mind :) But about the movie, i dont think one would like the movie if that one didnt see the series.
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The Last Unicorn
The Last Unicorn FTW!
Best animated movie ever. I saw a showing of it at CMU once. They somehow had a version with NO songs in it. Now that was good.
I never found that version again. And BTW, don't bother with the DVD version. They cut out all the swearing :-(
How about Heavy Metal? Too cliche? I really liked that one.
P.S. The Transformers movie scarred me as a kid. I remember my favorite character dying in the first 10 minutes to a silly Weird Al song... Not right for my child-mind.
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I have a soft spot for The Man Who Planted Trees By Frederich Bach, its an animated version of a childrens book, beautifully done, its about 30-40 minutes (i think)
As to anime, I recall Last Exile standing out with fantastic animation
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How about the Anime based on a submarine..( I forgot the title of it ) It was also unique ( for me )...
Edit: Think It was Blue Submarine 6 or something ( ?)
Sol Bianca
Gundam Seed: C.E. 72 Stargazer
FMA: Conqueror of Shambala
Macross Movies
Geezer:
Voltes V: Last Episodes ( It was made to a movie in our country..so Idk if it counts)
Hentai:
Bible Black - It gave lots to think about women in crisis and in heat!...*wink* :wink:
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If we're going off cartoons, hmm... I watched and enjoyed a lot as a kid. I didn't particularly care for a lot of Disney ones, but Lion King really stood out at me and had a great theme about facing your problems. I also liked the animated Robin Hood cartoon where he was depicted as a fox. Speaking of foxes, The Fox and The Hound was another good one. The Lion King is probably more complete, but I always enjoyed The Fox and the Hound most.
The only anime I ever enjoyed was Berserk. I never got around to watching the Heavy Metal movies, but I've been wanting to.
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You know there exists animation outside anime right?
Yup.... I'll have to admit I am an...
Anime Maniac!!!
And I wasn't even trying to hide it....by the way.
Sure I liked other animations besides Japanese made ones. But I just can't shake the fact that Anime Is lke...Freedom of expression 100x Magnified!!
There's no limit to the imagination. They animate it so wild and vivid..that even the "ero" ones have a bit of value if you look at it in a different light.
It would go where no one else could...Desire and Curiosity intertwine with so much ferocity..It excites even the minds of geniuses. If you watch closely to the other American based cartoons today they're already basing there shows on similar Anime characteristics and genres...
I believe Anime set the stage for exploration beyond the normal everyday typical Cartoons. Its diversity in motion..
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Hmm, I really like Aladdin and the Lion King. I also enjoyed watching Toy Story when I was a kid. Good times *sigh*. :|
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The animation that started it all was snow white, 1924 I think...
Started it all, as in being the first animated movie, first animated feature film, or started it all in some other sense?
Because it most certainly is not the first; released in 1937, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs is predated by several animated feature films, and many more shorter animations. One would think that you'd know this, considering all your apparent hatred for anime and fawning over western animation.
BTW, did you know that Lion King - made by your precious western company, Disney, is a blatant rip-off of - OMG! - an anime called Kimba the White Lion? Perhaps that's why you didn't list it... :-D
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1937 pardon me :evil: Snow white was the first full-length cel-animated feature in motion picture history...before it, just small unrealistic clips had been made. So in a sense it started it all...
Dunno about unrealistic, but El Apóstol runs for 70 minutes at 14 fps. Hardly a short movie. It also predates Snow White by 20 years, having been made in 1917. Or to be more specific, ran, as there are no surviving copies of it.
Where did you get this from? Seems to me you wanna get it going... :wink: But yeah most animes are just made to attract young people and please fan boys. So most of the anime out there is just crap. And if you look at "tv anime" like Pokemon etc...the animation is crap. Now there are some good ones, the best ones that can stand up to disney in my opinion is. Miyazakis or whatever his name is, howls moving castle and that fim with the kid at a bath house...there are some western animes as well I think. Vampire hunter D...I think was made by westernes?
I hope you are not suggesting that most of western animation is not made for young audiences? Or that the run-of-the-mill stuff, like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (talking about the animation, not the comic book!), Biker Mice from Mars, majority of Marvel stuff and the like are somehow superior to anime with similar target audience?
For example, there's a distinct difference in quality when Simpsons switched over from being animated in US to being animated in Korea. If I was trolling like you seem to be, I'd proclaim that as a proof of Asian animation being far superior to Western animation.
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Pardon the intrusion, But it seems there's another "war" brimming so to speak...
If its any consolation...
I would agree with Hermoor regarding the fact that Not All Anime (TV based) and Western TV based animations are not superior compare the the movie ones. But do you think that its is simply a routine in a sense?
Follow this comparison:
The reason why the big Western animation co. likely Pixar, Disney, WB,... spend so many Hundreds of dollars in creating an 1 hour animated flick is because they don't have what it takes to Animate. Sure they made it big with the CG's and SFX. But with collaborations of Japanese Animators if ya know...
And also the fact that Japanese TV Anime sucks is not because of poor animation.. or Story for that matter...Its because they have to fit everything into a 30 min. show. Anime was the first one to go beyond the boundaries of everyday animation and if they wanted they would release their shows in a 1hr programming format. But since it's only for the kids, and Not really "real" people..they stuck it to 30 mins. slots...
Now here comes the movies...Western Animation Movies=Big Time! Japanime Movie= Soso or Depends on the fame
The reason behind this is because Western animators are willing to spend Money for the film...But remember too much is a bad thing.
Japanimation relies on whether the character and story would be emphasized as a movie and not just your everyday Anime. Money is not an issue( sometimes even if its low budget, you wouldn't even notice because they where animated cleanly ).
SO the whole point of it should be Western animation and Eastern Anime should just be...well..Friends..Actually they are already...
If you watch the AVATAR..it was Western made but with an Eastern Action based theme. It s a mix of both worlds so to speak..
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You mean cartoon network? Or Tv animation in general? Tv series are crap, both anime and western animation. But today I think there is more anime crap than western crap on tv.
TV animation in general. But, bzzzzzt! Wrong answer!
Hereby I present you two made-for-TV anime series, and challenge you to find something Western that was made for TV and is equally deep and thought provoking;
Serial Experiments Lain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_experiments_lain)
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Neon Genesis Evangelion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon_Genesis_Evangelion_(anime))
We got spider man, batman, and some comic books. While the asians got thousands of anime series that are made just so that they can make toys on the characters. To please anime freaks...hrrmm kudistos megistos...hrmm...
Did you know that X-Men alone has six so called core titles, five secondary titles, three alternate universe titles, sixteen past titles and five alternate universe past titles? That makes 35 different titles of X-Men alone. Of course, Marvel publishing policy being what it is, you have to buy more than one title, as they tend spread story arcs over to several titles.
That's a bit more than 'some' comic books, methinks. Not to mention quite a merchandise.
I'm not sure how many full production movies with great animation has been released in asia. If you compare to what has been released in america. But I suspect disney and other western animation companies has made more than mizayaki...correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm so not counting just to satisfy your curiosity, but comparing Disney Studios and Studio Ghibli during the same time frame (because Ghibli has existed for a lot shorter time than Disney), it would seem that Disney has released 25 animated features (one of these being a remake), and Ghibli 18. Not bad, considering that at least my belief is that Walt Disney Studios is the larger of the two.
Not to mention the whole notion of comparing Disney + other Western animation output to that of a single Japanese studio is just plain stupid. Just like trying to prove anything by comparing how many films someone or something has made.
Here's an useless piece of trivia; Ron Jeremy has made 1170 movies. That is one thousand, hundred and seventy. Which would probably make him the best actor ever, with your logic. :-D
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Hereby I present you two made-for-TV anime series, and challenge you to find something Western that was made for TV and is equally deep and thought provoking;
That cover looks good, searched on youtube and found this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqmC-ersTP8&feature=related
Bad animation once again, I haven't seen the cartoon...cuz I don't watch cartoons :p But from the clip on youtube with the crying school girl. It doesn't seem very deep. And I'm not a expert at cartoons, so I'm not sure I could find something western that could challenge the crying school girl.
Perhaps you should actually watch it, before calling it not very deep? It does have 13 episodes, and an actual plot. As for the minimalistic animation, for Lain it works as an effect as well. Again, you should watch it to understand. Had you picked Evangelion, you'd have found actual recycling of frames for budget reasons.
There seems to be a pattern here; 'better' animation for you seems to mean more animation. Do you dispute the fact that Ghost in the Shell actually is very skillfully animated, even though it does take a minimalistic approach compared to average Western animation? Certainly not as minimalistic as Lain, but still. More movement does not always equal better animation. Much like Michael Bay movie does not always ever equal good movie, even though they have plenty of action. And movement. And explosions. Big, fucking huge explosions. Too bad that Bay is a hack as far as actual directing goes. But I'm sure you'd like his work. :P
Everything that has to do with tv is for merchandise. But even x men...is not as bad as some of the animes that are being made as we speak to milk anime freaks on money.
Does that make animation worse? Evangelion is both critically acclaimed and has every kind of merchandise you can think of, and plenty you never even thought possible. Yes, it's a cash cow for Gainax. Does that mean it's bad?
How does it come that western is much much more popular than the big anime movies? And get much more attention than anime movies you think? Because most of them are very deep and are considered master pieces. Just look at this trailer below, if you can find a trailer more powerful made for a anime movie show it to me. I doubt your school girl movies can stand up to something like this.
(http://borgborg.org/roflcopter.jpg)
Not even going to reply to your actual 'points', simply because they are true only in your head.
But here's the trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbEyjUsWKZA) you asked for. Maybe you should educate yourself and actually watch it? It is considered to be the one of the most emotionally moving, powerful animated films ever made.
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I don't see why there's an argument going on here, when you cut through the crap, that Japanese animation is somehow "deeper" than western animation or visa versa. Most Japanese animation has more complex themes, definitely, but complex does not equal deeper. I could argue that The Fox and The Hound, rife with childish songs and simplicity is just as deep because of that simplicity. We can connect with the idea of being best friends with someone, moving away, growing apart, then seeing each other later in life as opposites. That is deep because nearly all of us have had that happen to us, and it sucked. How many of us have gone through a post-apocalyptic setting dealing with child abuse by greedy superiors trying to meet their own goals at our expense?
I get it, I get that you have to think more and I've grossly skimmed an idea, but so what? You think about the stories more and more, but it still doesn't connect with you. The only thing you walk away with is gratification that you understand fully what the director was trying to convey, a vague philosophy about one thing or another. But does it apply to you on a mental or emotional level?
I guess what I'm getting at here is that Japanese animation intends to bond you to the characters in the film, make you experience their lives and connect with their actions. It's emotional, but mostly because you feel for the characters. Western animation - comedy aside - tries to connect with the viewer and create scenarios that parallel life experiences they can already relate to or will likely experience at some point in their life. It's simplistic emotion. It's no surprise that the two styles are so different, with Westerners (me included, I'm not ashamed to say) fueled by simple emotions and the Japanese being more philosophical.
Regardless, this is all a bit moot anyhow. Western culture is so different that anime is mostly viewed as "nerdy" and nobody wants to associate with it. This puts a serious cap on efforts to tell epic stories, and is a large reason why most epic stories make their way into live action and not anime here. Nobody can possibly say with a straight face that westerners have not created MANY live action stories with complex themes. If animating these ideas was more profitable without that "nerd" stigma attached to it, it would happen more often.
My two cents on the matter, agree to disagree if you see things differently cause I'm not slinging mud over it.
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Akshually, I'm just having fun on Hermoor's expense. :P
He seems to be trolling - looks like he has done lot of that after having his ass handed to him in the FFX-thread. Or, maybe he truly thinks that the 'Ewwww, it's popular, I shall not like it!'-spiel will make him somehow more mature. It doesn't, like Kudistos pointed out. Or most likely it's bit of both.
In any case, this time he picked a subject that'll prove ever so slightly difficult for him. :) Other than that, I have no particularly grand passion either way.
How many of us have gone through a post-apocalyptic setting dealing with child abuse by greedy superiors trying to meet their own goals at our expense?
I'm quite aware that the quote above is hardly the point of your post (point that I mostly agree with, btw), but I felt like it deserved a comment;
For the last part... do you really want me to answer that? :P I'd have a long story, but it's not really for public's ears. For the rest, I think you are taking the setting bit literally and simplifying it a bit, you can take the post-apocalyptic out of Evangelion and it doesn't make that much of a difference, IMHO. It's just the setting, not really the point of it.
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Fair enough, props for the dedication in that case. I lose interest in arguments pretty quickly, even just poking fun.
At first I started to go into a huge paragraph about that show then said screw it because I realized how silly it was to pick it apart. Like I said, grossly skimmed.
I'll take your word on the long story.
For the record I'm not putting down the Japanese style either, after all I'm on this forum having enjoyed FF7 and plenty of other RPGs that arguably fit the same design form as a lot of Japanese anime. I just can't sit down and watch anime, but to be fair I don't sit down for much of anything anymore aside from the occasional documentary or fight.
Anyways I'm already A.D.D.ing out on this, so I'll step aside and you two can continue.
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hermoor, all i seem to draw from your arguments about poor animation (TV, anime or whatnot) has to do with framerate (now i am somewhat innebriated) but... take it from an animation student, all framerate does is make movement smoother, by in large for people with weak eyes and brains (too lazy to explain the process) in which the brain fills in missing frames and creates the motion in your head. Good animation is like good <insert any type of storytelling>. Have a good theme, and tell it, and having seen many gigs worth of anime in my years (sorry, not terrabytes... havnt watched that much) they usually have significant themes, worth telling, albeit in a more indepth and less obvious manner than western films (tsetra said sometihng like this, but nehow).
i suggest you take a break frmo making arguments here and either and learn how to argue, lest you make yourself the next seifer.
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There is even anime porn...I mean wtf.
Yes?
I take it that you have issues with that - I'd like to hear what they are.
You might also want to see Fritz the Cat, while you are formulating your reply. Might open an eye, or too.
This is my opinion, now I know some of you will disagree, because some of you are anime fanatics. I think this is even more than a opinion...it's probably a fact.
(http://borgborg.org/facepalm.jpg)
Thinking about for example lion king. When Simbas father died,
Evangelion, when Shinji's father might as well have been dead, considering the attitude and abuse he received from him. It wouldn't be terribly far fetched to assume Shinji would have been happier, if his father actually was dead.
loosing your best friend Fox and hound.
Evangelion.
Prince of Egypt, leaving your home and family behind, because they really are bad.
Evangelion.
Bambi, once again loosing your mother and following in your fathers footsteps.
OMG, Evangelion. Well, Shinji kind of tried to follow in Gendo's footsteps, at least to a degree that he sought his approval.
Alladin, wishes and dreams/love.
Can you guess what I'm going to say? Evangelion. Unrequited love, too. At least two kinds of it, akshually.
But of course, the alternative I offer is made for TV - thus shit, not to mention made in Japan, thus bad. It's even badly animated - it's bloody obvious that Gainax was out of money and time by the end of it! :-D IMHO, my only real issue with Evangelion is the question whether it's actually deep, or just pretentious. It's certainly very close to the limit, and some stuff - like the occasionally excessive name dropping of Judeo-Christian mythology - I believe to exist merely for the 'Oh, cool reference'-value, instead of having much of a real meaning.
Anime is very grand and not as emotional on a human level if you compare to western animation.
Sure ain't. Keep telling yourself that. BTW, did you watch Grave of the Fireflies?
Plus there is a lot of sh*t in anime too (porn, ridiculous tv shows etc)
And this differs from western animation how, exactly?
Not to mention, live action movies. There are pr0n movies, actually there are bloody huge pile of them (case in point: Ron Jeremy and his 1170 movies). By your logic, live action movies are bad because there's live action pr0n, not to mention several horrid game shows, reality TV shows and what have you.
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Yes?
I take it that you have issues with that - I'd like to hear what they are.
Teenagers and grown men jerking of to cartoons is just not natural. Cave men jerking of cave paintings...get the idea? Not even the neanderthals were that stupid.
I see. :-D I also assume that you deny the possibility that a work of art might have erotic qualities, yes?
Or is this merely 'It's not natural'-issue with them, too? :)
Anyway, I don't recall if you have ever stated your views about homosexuality, but I just became curious about them. I have a guess what they might be, as well... :-D
I quote myself on this one...evangelion is very mixed right? It's not about one thing, but about everything!!! Set in a school enviroment with bad animation, and screaming crying anime/doll looking girls with pink and purple hair...distasteful is the right word...
*A distasteful mix of every story told in the past. (Final Fantasy VII)
Not really, if you can get past the premise of post-apocalyptic (to be specific, post-cataclysmic is probably more accurate) setting with giant robots. What's left is a growth story of a young boy. That's what Evangelion is about, if you ask me. Mind you, not the easiest growth story, Anno reflects many of his own issues - which he had plenty at the time - on Shinji. If you'd ask me to sum the whole series in one sentence, it'd be this "Things can always get worse, no matter how bad they were." - that's true at least as far as Shinji is concerned.
Majority of Evangelion happens outside the school, for that matter. And considering that the protagonists are 14 year olds, would you seriously expect them not to go to school? That, if anything, would be unrealistic.
I seem to be forgetting something. It's been a long time since I watched Evangelion, and I do not particularly care for the remake they are apparently doing, but I do not recall any girls with pink hair. Or purple, for that matter. Misato's is black, if you are thinking about her - black enough that it'll look like deep blue or purplish in certain light.
For crying... well, Asuka has a pretty darn good reason for it - on the rare occasion she might do it. Rei doesn't cry much. Much like she doesn't smile very much, either.
For that matter, while almost all characters are archetypes to some degree, I for one considering for example Shinji to be way more realistic protagonist than most. Yes, he whines. He does have kind of a good reason for it. He's not overly brave superhero-type, but more of a everyman, or everyboy, who gets scared, too.
And just for shits and giggles, several years after seeing Evangelion, I met a woman who might as well be the person Misato is modeled after - they are so much alike that it's kinda uncanny. :-P
So, I'd hardly call Evangelion's cast unrealistic. Archetypal, yes, unrealistic, no.
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This thread is hilarious :-D
Hermoor, what do you think of ethnic minorities? I'm sure you'll have something interesting to say :-P
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I see. grin I also assume that you deny the possibility that a work of art might have erotic qualities, yes?
Sure, art can be erotic...you see the difference?
(http://koti.welho.com/vmarttil/amber/images/AmberIWD.jpg)
(http://th06.deviantart.net/fs48/300W/i/2009/169/b/b/Deidara_Sexy_No_Jutsu_by_DeiSexyNoJutsu.jpg)
What I see is someone trying to cherrypick. You tried that at the FFX-thread, remember? :-D
Well, in any case, neither of them do anything for me. One of them is not particularly well drawn, not to mention I don't have a thing for nekomimis, other just isn't very erotic to begin with.
I also am amused by the fact that you seem to imply that one of them is art, while the other is not. :lol:
In any case, just for shits and giggles, here (http://borgborg.org/t2/). Some of the images found there might not be worksafe.
I have a guess what they might be, as well... grin
It's against nature.
I thought as much. :-D
*A distasteful mix of everything....reminds me of that reality tv show called Big Brother...
It would seem that you have trouble understanding what you just read. :-D But hey, your loss. Not to mention that your argumentation is quite amusing, looks like you don't have much left and what you have don't seem very valid either, but it's not like that has stopped you before. :-P
BTW, is it warm in De Nile? :-D
This thread is hilarious :-D
Verily it is! :-D
Hermoor, what do you think of ethnic minorities? I'm sure you'll have something interesting to say :-P
Hush now! Don't ask him things like that, or he'll might tell us that they are against nature! Being, you know, ethnic. And minor, too! :-D
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It's against nature. But I don't mind people with the same sex having sex with each other. As long as I don't have to do it... :wink:
Yes being gay is against nature, that is why it is found all over nature, http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/06/05/gay-penguins-adopt005.html (http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/06/05/gay-penguins-adopt005.html) (gay penguins FTW)
*A distasteful mix of everything....reminds me of that reality tv show called Big Brother...
So because the show is trying to imitate the chaos of reality it is similar to a 'reality' T.V. show?
Sure, art can be erotic...you see the difference?
Personally I find neither of those to be very erotic.
To me, pieces like this are erotic.
http://daily.chictoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/bum.jpg (http://daily.chictoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/bum.jpg)
http://artexploit.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ophelia-600x401.jpg (http://artexploit.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ophelia-600x401.jpg)
http://wp.madcowdisease.org/gp/Anime%2BManga/Wordsworth_01.jpg (http://wp.madcowdisease.org/gp/Anime%2BManga/Wordsworth_01.jpg)
Also, if you think that there is no porn of cartoons then you are sadly mistaken. Rule number 34 of the internet my friend, I can guarantee you that for every cartoon that you hold dear there is ten times as much porn of it then there is non porn.
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lyada, I <3 you - whoever you are. :-)
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I also am amused by the fact that you seem to imply that one of them is art, while the other is not. cheesy
To me art is beautiful...in some way. I would say that fireflies anime movie is art. But not that tv show you hold so dear.
So, what exactly is something you don't consider beautiful, then? Drawing, painting, piece of music, a movie you don't like? Can't be art, you just said that. But it has to be something.
Not even bothering to point out the fact that apparently you have seen neither Lain nor Evangelion, yet you seem to know that they are not art... owait, I just did. :-D
In any case, just for sh*ts and giggles, here. Some of the images found there might not be worksafe.
Your personal collection I imagine...haha.
From it. Not it. :-D
BTW, is it warm in De Nile? grin
Huh, you mean the river? What are you getting at?
De Nile (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=denile), as defined by Urban Dictionary.
Yes being gay is against nature, that is why it is found all over nature
They live in a zoo >_> Two males imprisoned, they just follow their instincs. You know why that guy in shawhanks redemption. (That prison movie) Started to f*** the new guy? Because there were no women to f***. I think the reason people turn gay is because they have got bad experience in the past of the opposite sex. Or because there are no one of the opposite sex to f***. So in a way it's against nature...
And how about people who realized they were attracted to the same sex during puberty, or even before that? Take boys for example; did a mean girl kick them in the nuts while they were kids, or something?
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So, what exactly is something you don't consider beautiful, then? Drawing, painting, piece of music, a movie you don't like? Can't be art, you just said that. But it has to be something.
It's chaos...it just exists so there can be art :wink:
*chuckle*
Basically what you are saying here sums up your attitude in general quite well; if something does not fit your preconceived and prejudiced views, you choose to pretend that it either a) does not exist b) or at the least must be bad.
Well done. I pity you, really. You are like a small child presented with food he has never eaten before. Most likely result is a hissy fit, without ever tasting it. Because, by Gods, it must be bad since you don't already like it. :-D
But like I said earlier, it's very much your loss.
Not even bothering to point out the fact that apparently you have seen neither Lain nor Evangelion, yet you seem to know that they are not art... owait, I just did. grin
I was quite satisfied with the youtube clip earlier, and what you have said about it already.
*Robots
*School
*Miniskirts
*14 year old girl as protagonist.
*Apocalyptic war
*Whining teenagers
So, you fished out a clip of Lain - which is about as far removed from Evangelion as Earth is from Moon - and deduced from my posts that they have these things, thus they are bad.
I shouldn't really do this, since I'm doing you a favor, but;
- Lain has no robots
- Both of them have school - after all, kids tend to go to school. Why do you hate it so much, btw? Are people mean to you there? Is that why you put on this spiel? To appear more mature than them?
- Neither of them have much of miniskirts - which actually does sound like a pretty fucking far-out reason to think something is bad. :-D
- Evangelion actually has 14 your old boy as a protagonist.
- Lain certainly has no war, apocalyptic or otherwise. Whether you'd like to call Evangelion's battles a war, is up to you. It's quite one sided to be a decent war.
- Lain does not whine. Shinji does, but for a pretty good reason.
But it does not make any difference, does it? :-D I presented you with two very good, made-for-TV (since you were raving about how everything made for TV is bad...) anime series, and challenged you to find something equally deep or thought provoking made in the West. Thus far you have produced no results, you haven't even dared to check out what they are like.
Like I said, your loss. :-D
From it. Not it. grin
Oh cool, are you playing with barbie dolls as well? hahah sorry...
Sure, if thinking that makes you happy. :-D
And how about people who realized they were attracted to the same sex during puberty, or even before that? Take boys for example; did a mean girl kick them in the nuts while they were kids, or something?
I don't know since I'm not gay...but I think it can have something to do with their mother father relationships. Maybe he spent a lot of time with his mother and she dressed him like a girl...and his father maybe molested him or something...I do not know...and I honestly don't care either.
So, why did you air your theories about the matter in the first place, if you don't know?
Majority of the scientists seem to disagree with you, btw. :-P
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*Robots
*School
*Miniskirts
*14 year old girl as protagonist.
*Apocalyptic war
*Whining teenagers
So, you're still dismissing things by oversimplifying them to the point of inaccuracy? :-D
That last item on your list can be applied to you as well. In fact, a lot of the things whereof you have accused others over the past week or so are crimes of which you are guilty. Could it be that you are projecting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection) your own inadequacies onto everyone who argues with you? It certainly seems that way. We know that you're a whiny teenager, and that you're a fanboy, and that you like and dislike things because they are cool (hating anime has been seen as very cool by children on the intertubes for quite a while). Your avatar has some pretty dark colouring as well; if what you said about FF7's colour scheme is true, it must mean that you are an emo (since anything dark appeals to emos, apparently :-D).
How does it feel to know that you are all of the things you hate? :lol:
And how about people who realized they were attracted to the same sex during puberty, or even before that? Take boys for example; did a mean girl kick them in the nuts while they were kids, or something?
I don't know since I'm not gay...but I think it can have something to do with their mother father relationships. Maybe he spent a lot of time with his mother and she dressed him like a girl...and his father maybe molested him or something...I do not know...and I honestly don't care either.
You heard it here first, folks! If you're gay, it's because your mother dressed you up like a girl and your father molested you!
Did you actually read that article about the penguins?
Scientific observation has shown that most sexual encounters between giraffes are homosexual. Male bottlenose dolphin calves often form homosexual bonds and exhibit bisexual behaviour when they're older. And female Japanese macaques, or snow monkeys, form monogamous relationships with each other that last from days to weeks.
All of these behaviours have been observed in the wild and do not appear to have been influenced by a scarcity of available mates of the opposite sex.
Kind of disproves both your "childhood abuse" argument and your "they only do it because they are locked up and there are no women" argument, doesn't it?
Tell me, are you actually capable of understanding that people can like something that you don't like without having some kind of social, emotional or psychological problem? It seems like you find it very hard to cope with other people's opinions...
Ya know, I think I have the perfect job for you when you grow up. Televangelist! Your hypocrisy, narrow mindedness (especially about sex), propensity towards making up grand theories based on shaky evidence and your astonishing ability to ignore anything that contradicts what you've decided to believe makes me think that crazy preacher would be the ideal job for you (as long as you can learn English well enough to communicate; you've got a long way to go). :-D
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I find this entertaining, arguing with fanboys and 34 year old anime porn collectors.
Who's a fanboy? Ever since the FFX thread, you've done nothing but insult people that don't agree with you about what the best FF game is. You are the fanboy, my friend, since you are the one who can't cope with other people liking different things. All the rest of us have done is admonish you for being so hostile to everyone else's opinion; I certainly don't have any problem with other people liking another game more than my favourite, but it seems that you do. I only have a problem with being called names because I dared to disagree with you. It seems that fanboy, like emo, is a word whose meaning you don't yet understand. Or maybe it's just another example of your hypocrisy and projection of your own problems onto others. :-D
And it's a good place to practise my english as well :wink:
You need all the practice you can get. :lol:
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So, why did you air your theories about the matter in the first place, if you don't know?
Majority of the scientists seem to disagree with you, btw. tongue
How can anyone who is not homosexual know why homosexuals are homosexuals?
ask them?
and hermoor, you are teh soopar fanboy.
onther note, there is no going offtopic in the completely unrelated forum
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You are off topic, get the hell outta here or keep to the subject. :x And I have no problem what you like or if you are gay or whatever. I say what I think then you keep babbling why I am wrong. And then I say why you are wrong and so it continues...
Wow, your reality distortion field is strong! So are your sexuality issues. Could it be that you are in the closet? That would explain why you have such big problems with other people's sexuality and are so homophobic.
and kudistos you are a fan boy. You are trying to project what you are and the fact that you are a former goth onto me.
And I see that you're accusing people of things you do again. Typical behaviour for a fanboy :-D
And one thing is for sure, I'm not like you guys...
We all know that. If everyone here were like you, these forums would be pretty crappy.
You sometimes make me wonder why you stay here. You hate everyone here for not agreeing with you and insult them for it. Everyone else hates you. Why are you still here? I can only think of one reasonable explanation... (http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8701/troll3oh.jpg)
Perhaps I should start ignoring you :-D
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I have tasted it, and I didn't like it. I always look smell on my food, if it looks or smells bad I won't taste it. Anime tv shows I have tasted, and I can't say I'm a fan...
By viewing a 10 minute clip of them? :-D
I thought we was talking about Lain...well you mentioned all those things...robots etc. Ok watched a clip on that other tv show you talked about and it looks like somekind of godzilla rip off. Looks like a decent tv show. But nothing special...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzxP9Ywxc-0
Well, obviously! That's why I referred to Evangelion by NAME FIVE TIMES in this (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=8985.msg119289#msg119289) post. Obviously a clever plot to make you think I was talking about Lain!
Can you understand written English? At all?
Ok watched a clip on that other tv show you talked about and it looks like somekind of godzilla rip off.
(http://borgborg.org/double_trek_facepalm.jpg)
I've heard people call Evangelion many things. But never a Godzilla ripoff. :-D
Since you seem to be having problems understanding written English, how about reading this again:
Not really, if you can get past the premise of post-apocalyptic (to be specific, post-cataclysmic is probably more accurate) setting with giant robots. What's left is a growth story of a young boy. That's what Evangelion is about, if you ask me. Mind you, not the easiest growth story, Anno reflects many of his own issues - which he had plenty at the time - on Shinji. If you'd ask me to sum the whole series in one sentence, it'd be this "Things can always get worse, no matter how bad they were." - that's true at least as far as Shinji is concerned.
Majority of Evangelion happens outside the school, for that matter. And considering that the protagonists are 14 year olds, would you seriously expect them not to go to school? That, if anything, would be unrealistic.
I seem to be forgetting something. It's been a long time since I watched Evangelion, and I do not particularly care for the remake they are apparently doing, but I do not recall any girls with pink hair. Or purple, for that matter. Misato's is black, if you are thinking about her - black enough that it'll look like deep blue or purplish in certain light.
For crying... well, Asuka has a pretty darn good reason for it - on the rare occasion she might do it. Rei doesn't cry much. Much like she doesn't smile very much, either.
For that matter, while almost all characters are archetypes to some degree, I for one considering for example Shinji to be way more realistic protagonist than most. Yes, he whines. He does have kind of a good reason for it. He's not overly brave superhero-type, but more of a everyman, or everyboy, who gets scared, too.
Yes, sounds exactly like a Godzilla ripoff to me. :-D Look, I even mentioned it by its name there too! Reading comprehension FTW!
How can anyone who is not homosexual know why homosexuals are homosexuals?
The same way scientists who are not bugs, can understand biology of insects and why they do what they do, I'd imagine. Not to mention those darn astrophysicists, they seem to know lot about stars and planets and black holes and shit, yet they are not stars, or planets, or even black holes.
Weird.
I believe there was a term for it, something like scientific method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method), or somesuch humbug.
I find this entertaining, arguing with fanboys and 34 year old anime porn collectors. And it's a good place to practise my english as well :wink:
Not to mention losing. So badly. :-D
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Just so that everyone knows, Hermoor thinks that the word fanboy means "anyone who disagrees with me" :-D
You do live in your own deluded little world, don't you? What's it like thinking that "your opinion" = "fact", that insulting people who like different games and styles of animation is not being a fanboy but disagreeing with you is being a fanboy? And what's it like living in a world where anyone who does disagree with you can be put into one big, homogeneous group called "gay pervert teenage emo weeaboo FF7 fanboys with gel in their hair"? :-D
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and hermoor, you are teh soopar fanboy.
Nope my friend...
De Nile! :-D
By viewing a 10 minute clip of them? grin
That is more than enough...
Obviously! :-D
I've heard people call Evangelion many things. But never a Godzilla ripoff. grin
Since you seem to be having problems understanding written English, how about reading this again:
I just watched the clip with the giant robot fighting the jet planes...
Akshually, you didn't. :-D What's the matter, 10 minute clip not enough to know the only giant robot - which, hell, I don't mind spoiling you, is not actually a robot either - was in the opening credits? :-D The thing giving JSDF jets a lesson was quite something else.
I'm sure there is a lot of high school drama going on under the giant robot.
Akshually, there isn't. :-D Doesn't it like totally suck when you form entirely incorrect opinion, and then claim that 10 minutes is enough? :lol:
But why should I care about the barbie dolls? When there is so much more interesting and more beautiful animation to care about?
I dunno. I just showed you one of the deepest and challenging anime series. Not my fault if your prejudices stop you from watching it. :-P
I'm not loosing and you know it...
No, I don't. I really don't. There won't be a smiley here, because I'm not joking.
And what's it like living in a world where anyone who does disagree with you can be put into one big, homogeneous group called "gay pervert teenage emo weeaboo FF7 fanboys with gel in their hair"? :-D
Hey, I resemble that remark! :lol: I has no gel in my hair! :-D
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Hahahah you got a point there kudistos. But not everyone who doesn't agree with me are fanboys or as you would like to call yourself:
pervert teenage emo weeaboo FF7 fanboys with gel in their hair"?
I have only said that to you and ammo...and ammo is nothing of the above except maybe pevert. Since he has admitted to have a large collection of pictures on half naked anime girls, laying on his hardrive.
So, not only do you ignore what other people have said when it's convenient, but you forget what you have said :-D
I seem to recall you saying a few times that most of the people on these forums are fanboys and anime freaks, and I also recall you saying that 80% of the people here put gel in their hair to make them look like manga characters. A lot of these comments were made today.
And I must ask, why can't you use the bloody quote function properly? Click "insert quote" and them delete the bits you don't need. Is it that hard? Even an idiot can do it. You must be below that level.
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And yes, I imagine a lot of you even use gel...you are right about that kudistos. I never said you wasn't using gel or that you are not a fanboy kudistos...god...
When did I say that you didn't accuse me of those things? :-D
You've accused me of both of them, I know that. Could this be another case of you making a fool out of yourself because you don't know English and can't communicate? :lol:
BTW, what happened to
I'm getting tired, should we call it a day... :lol: :lol:
It seems that you keep on saying that you'll go but you always come back. Could it be that you're lying because you want attention? Or that you're too much of a coward to leave?
I think it's both. You're a liar and a coward :-D
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Seems ammo gave up now I only need to beat you to the ground former goth.... 8-)
I don't see you arguing my points anymore, so what's left for me to do?
Or maybe you have nothing more to say and i have won?
You have somewhat bizarre notion of winning, though. If you truly are seeking a 'winner' in a debate, here's a hint; it's not the person who gets the last word.
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When did I say that you didn't accuse me of those things? grin
Are you sure we are thinking about the same thing? :-o
I've been having doubts about that for quite a while. You seem to have been having a very different argument from the rest of us; one in which you're not acting like a butthurt 13-year-old fanboy and you aren't having your arse kicked.
It seems that you keep on saying that you'll go but you always come back. Could it be that you're lying because you want attention? Or that you're too much of a coward to leave?
I think it's both. You're a liar and a coward grin
My bed is just a few inches away from my computer, so it's not a problem. And this is just so much fun megistos kudistos pudistos...and no I got a clean conscience...and I'm everything other than a coward believe me...AND I'M GONNA WIN THIS!!! Seems ammo gave up now I only need to beat you to the ground former goth.... 8-)
Or maybe you have nothing more to say and i have won?
This is a perfect example of you having a very strange perception of reality. Do you think that you win arguments because people get tired of trying to get things through your thick, fanboy head? That isn't how anyone else thinks, and I look forward to seeing you beat me to the ground. The only way that can happen is if you've been spending the last week or so lulling me into a false sense of security by acting like the stupidest person on the internet (in which case, you've done a good job) :-D
Oh, and you still haven't explained why you keep saying you'll go but you never actually do. I'm waiting for an answer, but it seems that you'll ignore anything inconvenient like you always do. Do you know why you ignore things that you can't argue against?
Because you're a coward :lol:
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Everything you say is wrong,
Say wut?
now look what I found. Seems western 2d animation isn't dead after all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCk7PNkoDw4&feature=channel
And?
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Everything you say is wrong
So, you're giving us the tl;dr version of everything you say when anyone disagrees with you. :-D
Seems western 2d animation isn't dead after all
Who said it was. :?
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Just thought I would get the topic back on track...now stfu if you don't have anything on topic to say you shameless dogs...
NO U!
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8918/nougw.gif)
BTW, since when did you care about things not being on topic. Could it be that you simply ran out of things to say and wanted a quick way out? Coward :-D
Oh, and since you like to infer things about people from the games they play and the cartoons they watch, I'll do the same. You watch Disney, so you must be a furry. Do you wear a fur suit and dance around like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4P8wArG93w)? (bevare, this video is a billion times more sickening than 3 guys 1 hammer :-P). See, I'm stereotyping people who like things that I don't like, just as you do :lol:
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You are so dillusional in your way of thinking and I think it would be healty for you to go on topic. Not because I ran out of things to say, just that it's impossible to reason with you. You are so persistent fan boys, your anime and your Final Fantasy VII is like a religion. I feel like I'm trying to convince a christian that god doesn't exist.
This post is hypocrisy taken to a whole new level. No-one but you has acted like a fanboy. You are the only one who can't stand people liking another game more than your favourite game. The only one. Fanboy. Trying to argue with you is like trying to explain the general theory of relativity to a five-year-old with Down's syndrome.
And since I'm not 18 years old I can't watch that link you were posting. "It has been flagged by the youtube community."
Who's stopping you from lying and pretending you're not 13? Coward.
And kudistos I know you enjoy watching peolpe slice their own cocks up but I don't so please don't post that sh*t here. :wink:
Seeing as YouTube bans porn, do you think it's likely that there was someone slicing his cock up in that video?
Thank you, now keep quiet or go on topic ok...???? :x
No, I'll keep on posting. Watching you make a fool of yourself and get ridiculously angry because you can't handle other people's opinions is very funny, and I don't want it to stop :lol:
I'm not some obessed fan boy like you....>_>
Sounds like something an obsessed fanboy would say :-D
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I'm as much a fan boy as you are a fan boy. Just look at your avatar
WTF does my Konata avatar have to do with FF7? You just get stupider and stupider :lol:
just look at how persistent you are at defending the game.
Just look at how persistent you are at b*tching about the game because it takes the attention away from your favourites :-D
Even in a thread where we are not discussing that f***ing piece of sh*t you have to jump in and go off topic with your Cloud and sephiroth fandom...insulting me time and time again by calling me the very thing I am not.
wat
Please tell me where this has happened. I'm dying to know.
You, however, seem intent on bringing it up at every opportunity, and you brought your hatred of it up in this thread before anyone had said a word about video games, as well as insulting me when I hadn't even posted here.
I'm not the one who has 1000 post + on neoseeker in the FFVII forums...you are....
I have 690 posts there. Apparently your numeracy is as bad as your literacy :lol:
why am I the fan boy of FFVII or FFVIII IX or X.
Because you post things like this
All I said in that thread was that FFVII is overrated and that the other games are better, just that most people can't see that because they are blinded by the coolness of Sephiroth. Riding on motorbikes, going to the hooker shop etc...
You do know that acting like it's an objective truth that your favourite games are the best and insulting anyone who disagrees with you is the definition of fanboy, don't you? You can't cope with anyone liking another game more than your favourite, therefore you are a fanboy. How f***ing stupid are you?
You know what, I'm not angry at all. I'm just tired of your bullsh*t, all this sh*t that is coming out of your mouth. I'm tired of reading it, even ammo had better things to say even though he is a fan boy of that anime series.
You sound very angry for someone who isn't angry :-D
I think I'll have to post that pic again:
(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/6200/umad1w.jpg)
BTW, you're a fanboy :-D
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or I'm afraid I'll have to contact Qhimm my country man
That I'd really like to see.
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Haha, I only know of one person who's tried that, and it didn't end well... I think we all know who I'm talking about (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/DBZHobbit/seifer.jpg)...
PS: these are the *OFF-TOPIC forums*, telling someone to stay on topic here is as futile as trying to find your significant other in a heterosexual chatroom, Hermoor.
I jest. :-D
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(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/659/bawwww.jpg)
Yeah, I'm sure Qhimm will agree with you :roll:
And you're a fanboy.
In fact, you're by far the biggest fanboy I've ever met; I've never known anyone to go this far because someone disagrees with them about what the best FF game is. Frankly, you seem quite unhealthy. I'm not trying to piss you off by saying that. You need help.
And if you weren't a fanboy, there is no way you'd still care. But you do still care, because you're a fanboy.
The fact that you're getting your knickers in such a twist over me calling you a fanboy shows that you knwo it's true as well. The only reason someone would get as angry as you are getting about being called a fanboy is if they know in their heart that they are one and can't deal with it.
Now, take your fanboyism and leave. You hate everyone here and everyone here hates you. Even Seifer got some sympathy from a few members here, but you haven't even managed that.
(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6929/yotsubanevercomeback.jpg)
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I'm not defending any game you stupid ape man. And yeah you are right, trolling is starting to get boring. It was fun as long as it lasted...wow feeling stupid now are we??
I've obtained footage of Hermoor posting on Qhimm and being told that he's a fanboy :-D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ohg1YeZc08
You are laying on the ground under my feet screaming in terror...I beat you to the ground kudistos. Infact I have been sitting here laughing the whole evening at you replying to what I have said over and over again...you really got no life you anime freak.
Oh my god, this is just too funny :lol:
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4048/trollfacel.png)
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Looks like we don't need Seifer around anymore. Or is this rebound resulting from his absence?
What's good about you people is that you really make me appreciate my friends IRL. Forgive my frankness.
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Looks like we don't need Seifer around anymore. Or is this rebound resulting from his absence?
I think that Hermoor saw what happened and decide that he'd go one step further than Seifer :-D
What's good about you people is that you really make me appreciate my friends IRL. Forgive my frankness.
That makes me sad :cry:
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Hermoor, I just got through re-watching Samurai X.
I urge you to watch it. It's really no wonder why most people agree that it's the single best animated movie ever. Possibly the best regardless.
I guarantee that, so long as you don't watch it with a biased mindset, it'll make you appreciate anime more...if not just that one in particular.
Who's willing to attest to this for me?
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First off I can kind of feel sad that I have missed most of the 'argument'.
From what I have read I <3 you to Ammo
And yes Samurai X is very good, and don't worry Hermoor, there are no schoolgirls, giant robots, mini-skirts or post apocalypses' going on.
There are swords and violence though so if that makes you squeamish I wouldn't recommend watching it.
And make sure to watch the OVA and not the TV series. The OVA had a much higher budget.
As for my favorite animations, story wise would be GITS, F**ked up factor would probably be Paprika, meaning would be Princess Mononoke and thought provoking would a film I believe that was made in germany called 'the perfect man' or something along those lines, I will have to come back with the actual tittle later (as search results are brining me to a really bad looking hollywood movie).
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Hay Naku!!!.. *sighs*
As we say here in our country, I can only say that regarding the issues surrounding West And East Animations:
People have the right to watch their own shows
They can believe what they want and have a say or two about it... But generally its their freaking life!
Let baygons, be baygons. If the other party doesn't want to agree so be it. The only thing left to do is:
Appreciate both!!!!
Hell, I like the way Disney, WB or any other western company animations do to their stuff. Because thats their stuff..
ANd also the Eastern animations ROCKS the world because that is also their style!!
Do you know the saying:
"hitting 2 birds with stone"
This my friend should apply to this discussion and further disagreeing would eventually lead ya to wickedness and loneliness.
@titeguy
I still have the CD's of Rurouni Kenshin OVAs and Movies. And to quote Sony gained more money in the Western audiences when they released this. I even remember watching it on cable TV (HBO).