Some people shouldn't be allowed to have children

[Kudistos Megistos]

Parents keep child's gender secret

For fuck's sake.

I love how these two people try to deny the fact that they're forcing their ideologies onto their children and using their children as an experiment.

I also love how they think that it's the horrible media and "society" that does all the influencing, and assume that they aren't influencing their children. Why do their sons want to wear girls clothes and do girly things? Is it because they're being left alone and not "socialised"? Or is it because their parents, perhaps unconsciously, are expressing happiness when their sons do something that defies the male gender role and the children want to do what makes their parents happy? Hmmm? The parents are idiots if they think that they themselves aren't influencing the choices their children make, and I'll wager they get perverse joy from seeing boys pick out pink dresses (take that, gender norms!).

And I love how their "well-adjusted" older son can't cope with the idea of going to school and they encourage him. Perhaps they want their "well-adjusted" children to live in bubbles, kept away from their peers, never communicating with wider society? When, if ever, will the children be old enough to enter the real world?

I'm now taking bets on which one of the three children will be the first to commit suicide thanks to the hopelessly impractical and idealistic parenting choices these two idiots have made. I say "first", because I think its entirely plausible that all three of these children will grow up with such severe sexual and personality issues as a result of this experiment and their alienation from the world that they end up topping themselves.

First that ten-year-old in nappies with an anger management problem and now this. Canadian parenting isn't looking very good nowadays. Maybe their brains are frozen?

[nfitc1]

My wife and I were discussing that story a few days ago. Pathetic. I understand that they don't want their children to feel limited by their gender, but there's a limit to how far that should go. Societies have always made differentiations between a man and a woman ever since the first two encountered each other. That isn't going to stop because one couple thinks they know better.

I agree that all they're doing is isolating their children. They WON'T be capable of integrating themselves into any non-transcendentalist society (and we know how those end).

I don't like pieces of the gender construction of modern society, but there are inherent differences between boys and girls. Physiological, psychological, and biological differences that you can't change. They aren't all that extreme, but they exist. Pretending that they don't will only mentally negatively abuse the child. I'm glad I don't live in Canada sometimes.

[Kudistos Megistos]

Looking at he comments section (full of far-left, post-modernist drivel), I came across the story of David Reimer, a boy from guess where? who was raised as a girl after a botched circumcision and was reported by the psychologist who recommended the reassignment (probably so he could use the boy as a test-case)as a successful case of gender reassignment.

He ended up rejecting his newly assigned gender as a teenager, became a boy again and eventually committed suicide. Successful indeed.

Storm will blow Z's brains out sooner or later.

[BloodShot]

Stupid is, stupid does.

This comes off as lazy parenting to me. "Oh, lets not teach our children stuff, lets let them learn on their own"

So if your son wants to stab someone with a kitchen knife that's okay because it's his decision?

[Armorvil]

What I love is the fact that the kid is annoyed when people think he's a girl. Someone should tell him that this annoyance would disappear if he dressed like a boy, for Christ's sake.

[Kudistos Megistos]

What I love is the fact that the kid is annoyed when people think he's a girl. Someone should tell him that this annoyance would disappear if he dressed like a boy, for Christ's sake.

DON'T IMPOSE YOUR PHALLOCENTRIC GENDER NORMS ON OUR BABY, YOU BIGOT!

IF OUR CHILD GETS PICKED ON AND ABUSED FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE, IT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM! THE REST OF THE WORLD IS WRONG!

The more I read comments from these parents and their supporters, the more I dislike them. They absolutely refuse to understand what part of this experiment that the general public opposes and instead spend all their time labelling anyone who disagrees with them as intolerant. As soon as the story came out, the father was dividing the world into "enlightened people", who agreed with him, and "cavemen" who disagreed. Another thing these people fail to understand is how their smugness might alienate people and how they themselves are displaying the very intolerant "us and them" mentality that they spend all their time teaching children about.

I really can't understand how these people manage to have any friends at all. They seem to be complete arseholes.

[Cupcake]

While I think it's an interesting idea, I feel that it's one of the forbidden experiments.  Same thing if you gave birth to a child, and locked them in a cage in the middle of nowhere, and gave them food and whatnot 3 times a day, with no human contact, ever, and saw how they developed, a show of true human nature.

Boys and girls are different, not just on a physical level.  It's not to say one is better than the other, but we have evolved to adapt in different ways.  Why can people not just accept this?  I'd also like to note that this is not to say that homosexual or transgendered people are flawed, they're just different in how boys and girls are different.

[Tenko Kuugen]

You're all acting like it's new or breaking news that the majority of the people living on this planet are of the average intelligence of a brick

[DLPB_]

Sadly one comes to the conclusion that there are a lot of idiots in this world.  They bring their kids up to be idiots who bring their kids up to be idiots who bring th... wait a second, you get the point.

Some break free.  Most don't. 

Luckily certain forums online are generally going to have a higher concentration of intelligent people, like this one, since it is a programming/modding forum.  But venture onto something like a reality TV show forum... ha, and watch as you lose faith in humanity forever.

@KuugenTheFox

I think what it boils down to is, most intelligent people suspect originally that intelligence is in the majority, and it comes as quite a shock to learn that this isn't the case in general...  it did to me as well.  For a long time I used to think it was an exception being in my dead end area, but then when I arrived online, I started seeing it everywhere there too and in different towns and cities...

Eventually it hit me that there are far more fools in the world than I thought was possible or logical.

[Opine]

While I think it's an interesting idea, I feel that it's one of the forbidden experiments.  Same thing if you gave birth to a child, and locked them in a cage in the middle of nowhere, and gave them food and whatnot 3 times a day, with no human contact, ever, and saw how they developed, a show of true human nature.

They did this with monkeys, just to see what happened.
They all turned out crazy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harlow#Partial_and_total_isolation_of_infant_monkeys

[DLPB_]

There is also another little experiment like that to show how we devlop religious/supernatural/superstitious behavaiours.

I am probably going to get this story slightly wrong but here goes.  As far as I remember they locked mice in a cage and randomly dispensed food.  The mice tried to make sense of it thinking it was some sort of pattern which was releasing the food.  In the end they were doing bizarre things in the cage believing that to be the required behaviour needed to release the food.

But it was just random.... In that same way, Humans try to make sense of a world that is to them at least, totally random.  Like the mice, humans see what isn't there...  they associate chance happenings with a general pattern and then try to duplicate this behaviour expecting to get the same result.

[Opine]

DLPB you got the experiment right. I remember learning about that one too. The rats all ended up performing something akin to superstitious rituals before they'd attempt to get the food - in case that action had been what triggered the food release before.

It's because living things have to be able to recognize patterns to survive. (e.g. "you can find this type of food growing at this certain location." or "eating that particular type of food makes you ill").

Of course, I have to say my turtles haven't figured this out, as they try to eat the rocks in their tank. But higher intelligence animals look for patterns.

[Nightmarish]

It will end by getting the kid rejected by both genres rather than have both embracing him/her

[Jaitsu]

its reasons like this i avoided listening to my parents to much.

[poofacetherisen]

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[Jaitsu]

Well, look at it this way. When you were a child what did you do (or rather, your parents let you do)? Also, did your parents leave you in front of the televizion when you were in your diapers? That's probably why you think that way. Most of us cannot avoid it, unless that is, you are sightless.

people give kids to little credit, i hate to try and sound like a martyr by using myself as an example again, but my father was a heavily abusive alchoholic, i resolved though not to let him influence me, some (not all) kids are willing to let themselves be brainwashed by the tv or the parents.

[Jaki]

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[Jaitsu]

People should not say the bad habit of their family members 

not even sure what you mean by that dude.

[Bosola]

He means, 'one should not speak ill of one's family'.

Tend to disagree on three points,
a) the forum is semi-anonymous,
b) our sentiments aren't going to affect JS's father
c) if they did, we'd be in a context where the man could (and should) defend himself

[Kudistos Megistos]

Well, look at it this way. When you were a child what did you do (or rather, your parents let you do)? Also, did your parents leave you in front of the televizion when you were in your diapers? That's probably why you think that way. Most of us cannot avoid it, unless that is, you are sightless.

I'm not sure how this relates to what I said. Clarify.

[Jaitsu]

He means, 'one should not speak ill of one's family'.

Tend to disagree on three points,
a) the forum is semi-anonymous,
b) our sentiments aren't going to affect JS's father
c) if they did, we'd be in a context where the man could (and should) defend himself

at the risk of continuing off track, my dad could never defend himself verbally but there's a reason he ends up in a jail cell for the night all the time.


anyway, what i'm saying is that parents aren't always the deciding factor

[Jenova's Witness]

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[Kudistos Megistos]

They seem okay.  There are far worse things to do to your children, than let them decide what gender they want to be

Oh, but they're doing far more than that. They're depriving the child of a normal upbringing and therefore making it disabled. If their children have to be shut away from evil society, however are they going to integrate into that society in the future? When (if?) they ever fly the nest, they'll have a massive culture shock and they won't know how they're expected to behave; this will result in an increased risk of being the victim of violent attacks and bullying and a deceased chance of finding a partner or doing well in their career. They'll be like homeschooled children, but 10 times worse.

Their only chance is if someone sets up a commune for people like them and they don't have to deal with the general population.

[Jenova's Witness]

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[Kudistos Megistos]

All your talk about integration into society is bullshit.  It's meant to create people who will respect authority for it's own sake, out of ingrained habit.  The world won't end if more people thought their gov't was full of shit.

O RLY?

Most people want to have a partner an raise a family. This requires having a job, unless you're the heir to a massive fortune, and having a decent job requires a decent education. This all requires having a basic knowledge of how your society works. If you don't have that, you'll have a very hard time, unless your goals in life are to live in your parents' basement and play FF7 all day.

I said that their situation would be more extreme than that of home-schooled children; these kids have no opportunity to learn the norms of society. Their parents probably teach them the opposite of how to function in society.

If you don't learn enough to at least pay lip service to social norms and you're not a fantastically lucky or talented super-genius, you'll be a permanently single career underachiever at best, and at worst you'll have to live in the forest foraging for nuts. You might meet Hermoor.