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Which first; Crisis Core or FF7
« on: 2011-08-24 20:17:16 »
Introducing a friend to ff7 and i'm not sure which one to introduce first. FF7 as a story is pretty complicated and you'll need several play throughs to understand it all. One big problem i have is that if you don't trigger the scene in the shinra mansion you'll probably understand very little about Zack+Cloud+the start of FF7.

Crisis Core is the prequel and makes things a lot clearer but FF7 is the master piece and I kind of wonder which would make the story better.

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Re: Which first; Crisis Core or FF7
« Reply #1 on: 2011-08-24 20:40:40 »
Still start with FF7. There's a big reveal about Cloud's past that CC spoils. It'll keep said friend guessing if s/he hasn't played CC.

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Re: Which first; Crisis Core or FF7
« Reply #2 on: 2011-08-24 20:53:38 »
FF7 then forget that anything else was written.  That's the ultimate experience.

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Re: Which first; Crisis Core or FF7
« Reply #3 on: 2011-08-24 22:25:44 »
FF7 then forget that anything else was written.  That's the ultimate experience.

I agree wholeheartedly with DLPB

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Re: Which first; Crisis Core or FF7
« Reply #4 on: 2011-08-25 17:31:19 »
Just have him play through VII and have him read every line of text as he plays and make him speak with all NPCs at various points in the game and don't forget to make him pay special attention to Sephiroth/Jenova/Zack related material.  Go to the Honeybee Inn and have Cloud go crazy when he sees the transparent image of himself; provide him with little hints when Cloud gets dissociative and hears voices (make sure you are completely familiar with the truth about controversial pieces of the story); go through Kalm Flashback, Whirlwind Maze Sephiroth Encounter, and the Lifestream events slowly.  Make sure you investigate Hojo/Inlfalna/Gast by getting Vincent and watching the vids at Icicle Inn.  The dialogue provided by party members might be somewhat helpful too so avoid using a party like Cait Sith, Cid, and Yuffie because you'll learn less than if you use Vincent, Tifa, and Aeris.  Make sure he enjoys himself, don't let bullies like The Materia Keeper and Jenova Birth kick him around.

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Re: Which first; Crisis Core or FF7
« Reply #5 on: 2011-09-03 06:35:13 »
FF7 then forget that anything else was written.  That's the ultimate experience.

This.

The compilation of FF7 has absolutely ruined the original story...

Genesis was never needed, Angeal was never needed, the pre-avalanche BS (i.e. Elfe and etc.) was never needed, DoC was never needed.

They have taken certain plot elements and boosted their significance to unneeded and unwarranted proportions.

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Re: Which first; Crisis Core or FF7
« Reply #6 on: 2011-09-12 05:54:27 »
It is a real shame too because rather than these silly sequels and prequels we could have had a new decent original FF...

But let's assume that I made the sequels and prequels, what I would have done differently.  It is simple.  I would not have tried to alter and retcon the original game.  You see, there was plenty in FF7 that could be made into a prequel that at least WORKED on most levels.  The Wutai war was a major part of it, the formation of Shin-Ra etc.

The problem is to pull off prequels and sequels is very difficult and requires someone who will not take the easy options, but of course they made these for money pure and simple so that is what they did.  We have Cait  explained with Reeve being some kind of whacked out collapsible doll for example...

It is just plainly ridiculous.  ON every level the prequels are wrong.

Then you have a sequel, and you ask yourself this question:  "Will they take the easy route and just make it a graphic fest and retcon main character deaths from VII to force a story"

and you KNOW the answer is going to be yes and the reason is again... it sells to most people.  I really feel like abusing those kinds of people in this post but I will refrain this time. It irks me so much that Squenix can do all this and people still lap it up.   The amount of people who will stick up for them in the face of overwhelming evidence that they are pure cash ins .. is scary.  It scares me.  When you get people who will tell you that there is nothing wrong with Rufus surviving after being bombed out of his office, or Sephiroth returning from the dead and GOOD GOD Hojo having his brain in a computer...  what more can you do only resign to the inevitable that the world is truly mad.

The only thing I can take out of this is that I read about the prequels and spin offs and decided never to indulge them and I can ignore them.  I made a big mistake watching AC because it is the most ridiculous farce ever.   It is sad for me that I had to finally admit one day that FF is dead.  Will it return one day?  I dunno, but for the foreseeable future get used to graphics and fanboyism over brains. 

As I have said before, there will come a time when graphics fail to sell a game... there is always a bottle neck and in this case it is the time needed to create such games.  1080p is far harder to make than 720p due to the extra effort needed and that is why Enix is refusing to remake VII, because it will take too much time and money for them to do it in a way which will appeal to the mindless graphic whores.

But as time goes on, the bottle neck arrives and graphics lose their selling point.  THAT is when companies are again forced to reach out to art and can no longer get away with mediocrity.   For now, those of us who enjoyed VI-X will have to wait, because it is much easier for them at present to slap dash a medicore game complete with graphics, than it is to make intelligent gameplay and story with the graphics as a vehicle but not as a selling point.
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Re: Which first; Crisis Core or FF7
« Reply #7 on: 2011-09-12 23:11:02 »
Yeah, back in 2000 I honestly thought that in the future I would be able to play a game with a similar engine to VII's where I would play as Sephiroth during the Wutai war and Nibelheim.  They could have opened up all the Hojo/Gast/Ilfalna stories.  Shit, they could have made a game that took place when JENOVA fell from the sky and you take the perspective of the Cetra and learned everything about WEAPON and Black Materia and Meteor etc.  I mean I guess Zack and CC was a somewhat logical choice...but it definitely wasn't the best choice.  And adding randomly contrived characters (what are their names...Genesis Angeal?  I really dont know) makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. - - "So The Jenova Project produced a super SOLDIER Sephiroth...by the way there are some other super soldiers that spontaneously appeared even though VII makes no mention of them at all."  Same thing with Nero and Weiss or whatever the Dirge people's names were.  I liked the game, don't get me wrong, but I didn't play it for the new characters or the story.  Shit, the Neo-Midgar Project was suppose to be ShinRa's BIG thing...it was gonna take decades, it was gonna take trillions of gil...so when the hell did Pres. Shinra find the time and resources for vast underground bunkers of experiments that were blatantly more advanced than Neo-Midgar and the Jenova Project?  Who cares about vast Mako sources and Jenova infused embryos when you're already creating god-like beings in your basement...apparently in your spare time.