[FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v2.0.999992)

[13arabba]

What if Cloud had a mechanic that once per battle, whenever an enemy puts his HP in the yellow, like say, putting a sword through him, he counters with a crit?

[Sega Chief]

What if Cloud had a mechanic that once per battle, whenever an enemy puts his HP in the yellow, like say, putting a sword through him, he counters with a crit?

I've tried to avoid actual counter attacks as innates because they can interfere with morphing and stealing.

[Cait Shu]

I wanted to know, after you reach the Mythril Mines and characters at rank 1 receive the first sources, wasn't supposed to give you +5 sources of every status plus the ones you choose? I received just a few ones from the boosts i choose, is it normal?

[MelonMelonHeart]

Hey,

First time playing New Threat, really happy with it so far and I really appreciate all the work that's gone into it, but I just have a question about the difference between Normal and Arrange. Basically I'm wondering if Arrange mode devolves into intense amounts of grinding in order to progress. I prefer a more difficult game in general and I really enjoy hardcore mods even when they're unbalanced, but I only really enjoy grinding when it's done in handheld jrpgs. Would I be better off in Normal if I'd prefer to strategize to get through encounters as opposed to just increasing my stats? I don't mind needing to grind 20-30 minutes every so often, but if I need to grind to get through every new area, that's where I start to get frustrated.

Apologies if you have written about the differences between the two mods in this thread, I searched but can't seem to find concrete answers concerning the differences. I suppose I'm wondering where the increased difficulty of Arrange comes from.

[Sega Chief]

I wanted to know, after you reach the Mythril Mines and characters at rank 1 receive the first sources, wasn't supposed to give you +5 sources of every status plus the ones you choose? I received just a few ones from the boosts i choose, is it normal?

One of the changes made with this March 2018 executable prototype was to set sources to be worth +5 per use instead of +1; the idea was to reduce on button-mashing when distributing sources. When using sources, check that your stats are going up by +5 each time; if they aren't, then let me know as it means your .exe hasn't been patched by the installer properly.

Hey,

First time playing New Threat, really happy with it so far and I really appreciate all the work that's gone into it, but I just have a question about the difference between Normal and Arrange. Basically I'm wondering if Arrange mode devolves into intense amounts of grinding in order to progress. I prefer a more difficult game in general and I really enjoy hardcore mods even when they're unbalanced, but I only really enjoy grinding when it's done in handheld jrpgs. Would I be better off in Normal if I'd prefer to strategize to get through encounters as opposed to just increasing my stats? I don't mind needing to grind 20-30 minutes every so often, but if I need to grind to get through every new area, that's where I start to get frustrated.

Apologies if you have written about the differences between the two mods in this thread, I searched but can't seem to find concrete answers concerning the differences. I suppose I'm wondering where the increased difficulty of Arrange comes from.

Arrange is more or less the same tempo, but you might find the difficulty spikes (or sinks) regarding some of the boss replacements. If it's your first run through, or you want a more balanced experience, then stick with Normal mode; I have to do some rebalancing with Arrange.

[Cait Shu]

So yeah that why I tought it was strange, they added just an +1, i saved and checked before and after using it, they just added +1 but it indeed if they should have have added +5 they came in right quantity but did not add the +5 just an +1 boost :c

[MelonMelonHeart]

Arrange is more or less the same tempo, but you might find the difficulty spikes (or sinks) regarding some of the boss replacements. If it's your first run through, or you want a more balanced experience, then stick with Normal mode; I have to do some rebalancing with Arrange.

Will I still struggle at times with Normal and/or need to strategize to get through bosses? And it's a hard choice either way because I recently played FFIX Unleashed and it wasn't that balanced but I still had fun. Also if it's mainly the bosses that are very hard, I love that really. It's when the random encounters start to take five or more minutes consistently that I get a bit burned out.

[Incinerator]

Will I still struggle at times with Normal and/or need to strategize to get through bosses? And it's a hard choice either way because I recently played FFIX Unleashed and it wasn't that balanced but I still had fun. Also if it's mainly the bosses that are very hard, I love that really. It's when the random encounters start to take five or more minutes consistently that I get a bit burned out.

I’m so glad you mentioned this. Maybe now people will realize and understand.

[Asherdoom]

honestly the fact that even random encounter needs brain instead of attack spamming is what makes me love the mod.

The oly thing i repeat would be nice to get new cloud passive because limit spamm is undoable at best but that is just my opinion!

[Sega Chief]

So yeah that why I tought it was strange, they added just an +1, i saved and checked before and after using it, they just added +1 but it indeed if they should have have added +5 they came in right quantity but did not add the +5 just an +1 boost :c

The executable hasn't been patched for some reason, might be a security thing. If you download the 7H folder from the front page, there'll be some executables inside that can be used to get around this. If you're on Steam, it'll be the ff7_en.exe you want; if it's a 7H-converted game (or original 1998 PC) then ff7.exe.

Otherwise, try running the installer again set as admin, full-write permissions, etc.

Will I still struggle at times with Normal and/or need to strategize to get through bosses? And it's a hard choice either way because I recently played FFIX Unleashed and it wasn't that balanced but I still had fun. Also if it's mainly the bosses that are very hard, I love that really. It's when the random encounters start to take five or more minutes consistently that I get a bit burned out.

You won't need to min-max for the majority of the mod, some bosses will require a bit of planning but they're usually optional and can be beaten later on if they're too much trouble (Materia Keeper is optional now for instance and drops Powersoul but can be tricky to beat on first visit, Lost Number is no longer required to access Vincent in the basement and can be attempted later, and the Wutai Pagoda can be re-attempted later as well).

Disc 3 has some optional encounters which can be more difficult, but the patch I uploaded has revised enemy HP, defences, attacks, and AI for Disc 2/3 which should make it a bit more accessible (particularly the North Crater).

Randoms should be fairly fast to take down so long as you're making use of elements and the like; but if they're getting annoying then they can be disabled at Save Points if you just want to do some exploring in peace. EXP and AP given increases exponentially as you go to each new area so don't worry about missing out, the later areas will catch your team up super fast.

honestly the fact that even random encounter needs brain instead of attack spamming is what makes me love the mod.

The oly thing i repeat would be nice to get new cloud passive because limit spamm is undoable at best but that is just my opinion!

I've changed Cloud's innate slightly for the patch; he gets a flat bonus when a Limit is used which slowly decreases until it resets and can be procced again.

***

Made some new patches for the mod, updated the links on the front page. Let me know if you encounter any problems and make sure the .exe is patched by checking materia equip effects (they should be different from vanilla).

Patch Notes (June 23rd 2018)
https://pastebin.com/qJbKWcdn

Edit:
I left two debug routines in there by accident, going to have to remove them when I get back; avoid using the Save Point just before Air Buster and talking to the crewman on the Highwind until I've replaced the installer tonight.

Edit2: Fixed the files and reuploaded, links are up again.

[Nataks]

hi chief,

i had encounter 2 problem with the new patch (June 23rd 2018) :

- jenova vector still didnt spawn the 2 nodes

- the new spell L5 Suicide (Quarry Fuse) deal the earth damage but buff the enemy by giving them barrier/mbarrier/invincible (yellow glow)

[Cait Shu]

So I re installed the patch even the game itself and still, the sources only add an +1 instead of +5 I'm using the steam edition and tried that new patch there, everything else is right, just the sources rly just add +1 not +5 ._.

[Sega Chief]

hi chief,

i had encounter 2 problem with the new patch (June 23rd 2018) :

- jenova vector still didnt spawn the 2 nodes

- the new spell L5 Suicide (Quarry Fuse) deal the earth damage but buff the enemy by giving them barrier/mbarrier/invincible (yellow glow)

Alright, change of plan then for the Nodes. I moved that script to post-action and changed the trigger behaviour. I'll set up a scene/kernel patch to sort out that and the e.skill missing flags for remove status.

Edit: http://www.mediafire.com/file/o9o2qwu5o1l2g3y/NT_Mod_-_Enemy_%2526_Kernel_Hotfix_-_23rd_June_2018.zip/file

[Cait Shu]

By the way and I tried the new installer and can't choose the "Check Character Status " option, just the last upgrade option. I re installed the patch even the game itself and still, the sources only add an +1 instead of +5 I'm using the steam edition and tried that new patch there, everything else is right, just the sources rly just add +1 not +5 ._.

[Asherdoom]

The executable hasn't been patched for some reason, might be a security thing. If you download the 7H folder from the front page, there'll be some executables inside that can be used to get around this. If you're on Steam, it'll be the ff7_en.exe you want; if it's a 7H-converted game (or original 1998 PC) then ff7.exe.

Otherwise, try running the installer again set as admin, full-write permissions, etc.

You won't need to min-max for the majority of the mod, some bosses will require a bit of planning but they're usually optional and can be beaten later on if they're too much trouble (Materia Keeper is optional now for instance and drops Powersoul but can be tricky to beat on first visit, Lost Number is no longer required to access Vincent in the basement and can be attempted later, and the Wutai Pagoda can be re-attempted later as well).

Disc 3 has some optional encounters which can be more difficult, but the patch I uploaded has revised enemy HP, defences, attacks, and AI for Disc 2/3 which should make it a bit more accessible (particularly the North Crater).

Randoms should be fairly fast to take down so long as you're making use of elements and the like; but if they're getting annoying then they can be disabled at Save Points if you just want to do some exploring in peace. EXP and AP given increases exponentially as you go to each new area so don't worry about missing out, the later areas will catch your team up super fast.

I've changed Cloud's innate slightly for the patch; he gets a flat bonus when a Limit is used which slowly decreases until it resets and can be procced again.

***

Made some new patches for the mod, updated the links on the front page. Let me know if you encounter any problems and make sure the .exe is patched by checking materia equip effects (they should be different from vanilla).

Patch Notes (June 23rd 2018)
https://pastebin.com/qJbKWcdn

Edit:
I left two debug routines in there by accident, going to have to remove them when I get back; avoid using the Save Point just before Air Buster and talking to the crewman on the Highwind until I've replaced the installer tonight.

Edit2: Fixed the files and reuploaded, links are up again.

i already commenced a new game if i apply this patch now io have to restart or my save file will not get any problem ? I am at he very beginning just met aeris now.

[Sega Chief]

By the way and I tried the new installer and can't choose the "Check Character Status " option, just the last upgrade option. I re installed the patch even the game itself and still, the sources only add an +1 instead of +5 I'm using the steam edition and tried that new patch there, everything else is right, just the sources rly just add +1 not +5 ._.

The menu problem is likely due to the field script changes in place which I'll need to sort. The .exe not being patched is prob down to a permissions issue of some sort. If you download the 7H IRO from the front page and unzip it, you'll find some executable files inside that you can try dropping into your FF7 folder directly.

i already commenced a new game if i apply this patch now io have to restart or my save file will not get any problem ? I am at he very beginning just met aeris now.

Savemap should be fine so don't worry about applying the patch or future patches; it only tends to be big overhaul patches (when the version number changes) that the savemap gets messed with.

[apfrosty]

so, since the L5 was changed into Quarry ability, how do we learn chocobuckle? Been searching about it and didnt find anything ;-;

[Asherdoom]

one thing: did you remove the choco mog matera summon boss fith?= i remember in earlier version there was one and now i simply spoke to the chocobo and it gave me materia in vanilla like game.

And btw i wish to add another suggestion: Steal materia. basic steral FF VII formula is like this:

LVdifference=40+User′sLV−Target′sLV

LVfactor=512×LVdifference100
Chance=Itemchance×LVfactor256

now i my modest opinion basing steal ONLY on level element is quite silly.... i would make steal materia based on 3 elements for the calculation whch are, level difference (like in the first formula) and then LUCK and DEXTRETY which are known thief attributes! this would make also tifa or yuffie good "thieves" style classes because they got usually highest dex in the game what ya think about it?

[Zara9]

hey sega chief

is there anyway you could add in a 3x faster option on the save points, so if someone wants the game to go by 3x faster they can turn that option on and or off

[Asherdoom]

an apopointment i would make: Concerning SP and characters i have some suggestions (just my 2 penny ideas!!)

AERIS:

\\Source-Point Options//
Flowergirl: +10 MAG, +5 SPR/DEX
White Mage: +15 MAG, +5 VIT<-----here i would add +5 luck
Geomancer:  +10 VIT/SPR, +5 MAG
Slum Drunk: +15 STR, +10 VIT/LCK<----------srsly..... aeris being a mage get str??? O_o can ya change with 15 vit10luck/5 spr

YUFFIE:
\\Source-Point Options//
Materia Hunter: +5 STR/MAG/DEX <-----i would make 5STR/LUCK/MAG to hunt materia ya need luck!!!!
Gil Bandit:    +10 DEX, +5 STR/LCK
Wutai Shinobi:    +10 MAG/SPR
Goddamn Punk:    +10 STR/VIT

CAITH SIT:
\\Source-Point Options//
Fortune-Teller: +5 STR/MAG, +10 LCK
Yeti Pal:    +5 STR/VIT/LCK
Materia Tank:    +5 MAG/SPR/LCK
Top Cat:    +15 DEX, +10 LCK<------instead of dex make VIT rendering him little more tanky

[Elemental Consistency]

Elemental weaknesses were inconsistent in the original game; for NT, it is easier to discern
an enemy's weaknesses based on the type of enemy:

   Beasts/Vermin:    Fire & Ice
   Mechanical:   Bolt & Water
   Large enemies:   Earth
   Flying enemies: Wind & Gravity
   Humanoid:   Poison
   Demons/Mutants:   Holy
   Temple/WEAPON:   Hidden

NOTE: here i found many isses especially on low level areas (the wolves near kalm town for example i tossed em fire2 and they received life instead of getting damaged...)



I suggest also IF POSSIBLE (i am ignorant in coding totally so dont get mad) to add Wind materia to give aeor aeor 2 and aero 3 (on northern cave the mobs first time you arrive use AERO 3 so i guess you could "steal " that animation and adapt it )

[Stealing & Morphing]

These have been revised for every enemy, and Morph is now available much earlier in the game.
Bosses can be Morphed, with effort, into powerful items and equipment early in the game for
players willing to invest the time and energy.

on this i would give my 2 cent idea to rework steal mechanic as follows:
LVdifference=40+User′sLV−Target′sLV

LVfactor=512×LVdifference100
Chance=Itemchance×LVfactor256

sorry for disturb and btw great mod!! I LOVE IT!!

[MelonMelonHeart]

So with the new hotfix, is Cloud supposed to get the Limit Boost every time someone in the party uses a limit break or just when he does? Because right now it's the former and he gets a buff every time someone else uses a limit break in addition to when he does. Just confirming.

Wondering if (and others can answer this one for sure) you get to choose your upgrade path each time you rank up using SP? Like you can choose a different one each time and you're not locked into the first one you chose correct? Also how gimped would I be in arrange mode if I never use the rank up system except for the first time?

Do you unlock limit breaks (except for Level 4) the same way as in vanilla? And when I use the Elemental materia, what stat governs the amount of damage I do and what element am I attacking with each time? A little unsure how that materia works in general. Thanks!

[Sega Chief]

so, since the L5 was changed into Quarry ability, how do we learn chocobuckle? Been searching about it and didnt find anything ;-;

It still works, Chocobos are set to react to the Index ID of the attack; if it hits them, they'll use Chocobuckle. Just remember that the other condition is that they must be eating specific Greens (Mimmet Greens I think) when the E. Skill is used although I may have removed that condition as well so that all Greens work.

one thing: did you remove the choco mog matera summon boss fith?= i remember in earlier version there was one and now i simply spoke to the chocobo and it gave me materia in vanilla like game.

And btw i wish to add another suggestion: Steal materia. basic steral FF VII formula is like this:

LVdifference=40+User′sLV−Target′sLV

LVfactor=512×LVdifference100
Chance=Itemchance×LVfactor256

now i my modest opinion basing steal ONLY on level element is quite silly.... i would make steal materia based on 3 elements for the calculation whch are, level difference (like in the first formula) and then LUCK and DEXTRETY which are known thief attributes! this would make also tifa or yuffie good "thieves" style classes because they got usually highest dex in the game what ya think about it?

There is no Choco/Mog boss in NT; you might be thinking of Gjoerulv's Hardcore mod.

Using Level for Steal is a bit problematic as most players, including myself, play under the assumption that Dexterity (and sometimes Luck) factored into the Steal chance. I'm going to review some of the formulas for the overhaul patch at some point in the future. I could use Dex for Steal, and Luck for manipulate maybe.

hey sega chief

is there anyway you could add in a 3x faster option on the save points, so if someone wants the game to go by 3x faster they can turn that option on and or off

I can't access that from the flevel; there are tools that manually adjust the speed that the game runs at though, like the Ochu tool.

an apopointment i would make: Concerning SP and characters i have some suggestions (just my 2 penny ideas!!)

[Elemental Consistency]

NOTE: here i found many isses especially on low level areas (the wolves near kalm town for example i tossed em fire2 and they received life instead of getting damaged...)



I suggest also IF POSSIBLE (i am ignorant in coding totally so dont get mad) to add Wind materia to give aeor aeor 2 and aero 3 (on northern cave the mobs first time you arrive use AERO 3 so i guess you could "steal " that animation and adapt it )

on this i would give my 2 cent idea to rework steal mechanic as follows:
LVdifference=40+User′sLV−Target′sLV

LVfactor=512×LVdifference100
Chance=Itemchance×LVfactor256

sorry for disturb and btw great mod!! I LOVE IT!!

The Rank-Up options were updated in the latest patch; there are now 5 options and some were tweaked.

There may be something wrong with your Scene.bin; I checked the files and Kalm Fangs are all set to take double damage from Fire. Fire2 also has the correct flags set in the Kernel.

While it would be possible to add another Materia, the issue is that the spell-list is mostly up to capacity and I want to keep Osmose, Hydro, and Pearl. I think the first time Wind can be useful as an element is against Ark Dragons in Mythril Mines and then against Formula enemies in the Junon area, by which time Chocobuckle (now a wind-element attack skill) and Choco/Mog are available (either for cast or Elemental combo in weapon).

I'd like more info on this Kalm Fang absorbing fire though; they don't absorb that in the base game which has me worried some sort of corruption has taken place. Could you test it again just to be sure?

So with the new hotfix, is Cloud supposed to get the Limit Boost every time someone in the party uses a limit break or just when he does? Because right now it's the former and he gets a buff every time someone else uses a limit break in addition to when he does. Just confirming.

Wondering if (and others can answer this one for sure) you get to choose your upgrade path each time you rank up using SP? Like you can choose a different one each time and you're not locked into the first one you chose correct? Also how gimped would I be in arrange mode if I never use the rank up system except for the first time?

Do you unlock limit breaks (except for Level 4) the same way as in vanilla? And when I use the Elemental materia, what stat governs the amount of damage I do and what element am I attacking with each time? A little unsure how that materia works in general. Thanks!

It should trigger whenever a Limit Break is used by someone, but only once and not again until the buff has worn off.

You can choose different options each time for Rank Up, yeah.

LV.4 Limits are obtained from a optional boss for each character, and can be used when Lv1, Lv2, and Lv3 limits are learned.

Elemental just attaches an element to your physical attack, meaning that all the damage is still coming from Strength + Weapon + Level, but damage output will be doubled or halved depending on the enemy's elemental resistances.

[Asherdoom]

So with the new hotfix, is Cloud supposed to get the Limit Boost every time someone in the party uses a limit break or just when he does? Because right now it's the former and he gets a buff every time someone else uses a limit break in addition to when he does. Just confirming.

Wondering if (and others can answer this one for sure) you get to choose your upgrade path each time you rank up using SP? Like you can choose a different one each time and you're not locked into the first one you chose correct? Also how gimped would I be in arrange mode if I never use the rank up system except for the first time?

Do you unlock limit breaks (except for Level 4) the same way as in vanilla? And when I use the Elemental materia, what stat governs the amount of damage I do and what element am I attacking with each time? A little unsure how that materia works in general. Thanks!

Yes, cloud get a buff each time someone uses a limit which decay over time (opposed to Red  XII that the more in combat the more stack he gets)

and concernign SP eacjh time you kill enemies you get some SP points (you can check em in save points pressing SWITCH or SQUARE button. once you got enough of them you press R2 and you will access the menu to choose the path.
EACH TIME YOU GOT ENOUGH SP YOU MUST REPEAT THE PROCESS, which means that you can choose alternative ways to buff your chars depending in the decision you do. to be more clear, for example if for cloud you choose MAKONOID first time you get sp stuff going, the next time you can choose EX-SOLDIER for example

There may be something wrong with your Scene.bin; I checked the files and Kalm Fangs are all set to take double damage from Fire. Fire2 also has the correct flags set in the Kernel.

i dunno what the problem was so as a good and ignorant person in programming i restored the vanilla FFVII removing the mod and resintalled it from zero! I checked back in kalm area and yes now wolves get pwned with fire spells duno which the problem was !

[UpRisen]

So with the new hotfix, is Cloud supposed to get the Limit Boost every time someone in the party uses a limit break or just when he does? Because right now it's the former and he gets a buff every time someone else uses a limit break in addition to when he does. Just confirming.

Wondering if (and others can answer this one for sure) you get to choose your upgrade path each time you rank up using SP? Like you can choose a different one each time and you're not locked into the first one you chose correct? Also how gimped would I be in arrange mode if I never use the rank up system except for the first time?

Do you unlock limit breaks (except for Level 4) the same way as in vanilla? And when I use the Elemental materia, what stat governs the amount of damage I do and what element am I attacking with each time? A little unsure how that materia works in general. Thanks!

1: Cloud should get it on first limit used and it should not happen again until cloud takes 6 actions. Verify that you are using the most up to date version of the mod and the most up to date exe file.

2. You can choose the option every time

3. limit unlocking is the same as vanilla. support materia (the blue one) only work when paired in a linked slot with another materia. For elemental it will either give your attack damage or your armor defence vs the element of the materia it is paired with. You can see the materias element when you select it in the materia menu, it will be the element in yellow under the name on the stats tab.

Slum Drunk: +15 STR, +10 VIT/LCK<----------srsly..... aeris being a mage get str??? O_o can ya change with 15 vit10luck/5 spr

Half of her weapons and her innate make her an ideal tank when picking this option , the str option is better for her here, and its really fun to beat things to death with one of her staffs.

[jugend]

I posted about this in the discord, but getting time flare from Gaea dragon was absolute hell due to no manipulate, single target skill, and used extremely rarely. I spent nearly an hour trying to get it, had to revert back to the old patch to get him to use the earth aoe instead, and it still took forever, seems hes got too many skills and that it's usage is very low priority?