Author Topic: [FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v2.0.99994) (Read 4972127 times)

Sega Chief · « **Reply #9550 on:** 2020-05-20 18:19:23 »

Updates are up:

*) Yuffie's Innate may now function correctly in more cases
*) Some text boxes in Midgar Raid and North Crater adjusted for ESUI compatibility
*) Wizard Staff adjusted to give MP equal to 33% of the target's MaxMP
*) Wizer Staff buffed with linked slots and Magic-based damage formula
*) SOLDIER: 2nd AI adjusted to prevent a softlock on attack ID references
*) Shield removed from Barrier Materia when combined with Added Effect (sorry Uprisen)
*) Fixed sound issue with Proud Clod's entrance (Fade Music instruction was muting SFX)
*) Attack animation for a end-game boss was changed (M.A.D Breath)

dvsblack · « **Reply #9551 on:** 2020-05-21 00:48:51 »

Quote from: TheOppressed on 2020-05-20 05:08:00

Not the guy you were replying too, just sharing my thoughts.
I don't think that Magic Counter+ Renew is OP, I think that being able to negate its MP costs per se with Wizard's Staff is "a smidge" OP. Without that, the cost would be too high that countering every single attack with Renew, especially in endgame, would destroy your MP. (I think its also possible for confuse to screw you over when it heals a boss, not sure though.) Even Caith Sith needs several turns defending to get its MP back.

Barrier+Added Effect is kinda OP though, with it making the Barrier spells obsolete. They're zero cost.

Personally, all my characters are immune to confuse and silence. And the renew automatically removes all negative status effects.

Agravaile · « **Reply #9552 on:** 2020-05-21 05:29:25 »

Can custom models be used straight from reunion? Say if i delete all the models from the mod folder just to use the ones that were installed in my default reunion folder before (i'd especially want them to use for 60 fps battles), will there be no issues?

also, is there any incompatibilities or bugs involved with reunion? I have installed mods with models, fields and world map textures, as well as battle textures too, will those be conflicting with New Threat?

I have a general idea which folders to delete, but then, if doesn't cause any issues, which folders i'd have to delete in order to have field and battle models looking the same as they did in Reunion, without New Threat installed?

Gotmilk751 · « **Reply #9553 on:** 2020-05-21 07:13:41 »

Heya, another Reunion related question. When using the Reunion version, are the vanilla parts of the story script yours or DLPBs? I imagine probably yours but I wanted to check and make sure.

Shirohô · « **Reply #9554 on:** 2020-05-21 12:29:39 »

Quote from: Sega Chief on 2020-05-20 11:49:59

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Yeah we all took the basic NT option through Qhimm "gameplay Catalog" mod. I desactivated this one to activate only the new one provided by your links.

and i can confirm already Yuffie's dodge is working quite well now.

As for the cave dialog (yes it was these particular lines) too bad i can't confirm because i erased on my save and can't test it anymore. May be some of my friends still have a save around that part i will ask them.

Thanks for all this. Cheers !

Sega Chief · « **Reply #9555 on:** 2020-05-21 13:03:58 »

Quote from: Agravaile on 2020-05-21 05:29:25

Can custom models be used straight from reunion? Say if i delete all the models from the mod folder just to use the ones that were installed in my default reunion folder before (i'd especially want them to use for 60 fps battles), will there be no issues?

also, is there any incompatibilities or bugs involved with reunion? I have installed mods with models, fields and world map textures, as well as battle textures too, will those be conflicting with New Threat?

I have a general idea which folders to delete, but then, if doesn't cause any issues, which folders i'd have to delete in order to have field and battle models looking the same as they did in Reunion, without New Threat installed?

There should be a R06 version for this mod on the front of this thread. You can drop in your battle models, etc. and overwrite without issue as far as I know.

Quote from: Gotmilk751 on 2020-05-21 07:13:41

Heya, another Reunion related question. When using the Reunion version, are the vanilla parts of the story script yours or DLPBs? I imagine probably yours but I wanted to check and make sure.

The Reunion version of NT is all NT text, the Beacause part isn't compatible with NT.

Quote from: Shirohô on 2020-05-21 12:29:39

Yeah we all took the basic NT option through Qhimm "gameplay Catalog" mod. I desactivated this one to activate only the new one provided by your links.

and i can confirm already Yuffie's dodge is working quite well now.

As for the cave dialog (yes it was these particular lines) too bad i can't confirm because i erased on my save and can't test it anymore. May be some of my friends still have a save around that part i will ask them.

Thanks for all this. Cheers !

No worries.

Agravaile · « **Reply #9556 on:** 2020-05-21 17:17:59 »

So, in short, basically NT's R06 version models (field and battle) are not important and can be replaced/deleted without fear of wrecking anything, correct?

I ask that because, for example, say if there's some new models added that could be important for the story or for battles that will just ruin the scene if the default ones are used. But basically, what i am trying to do, is to have none of models NT has, because my field and battles models are already moded, which i want to use effectively with NT.

Sorry if the question seems a bit obvious, just want to make sure everything works

Edit: Basically, what i did is take all the models from NT in Direct folder, and merge them with (Model_overhaul) base models of Reunion without replacing them so it would have also the files that were only present in NT, and afterwards deleting them from Direct folder, so NT would be accessing them from Reunion files, not it's own. I'll see if it works this way so i can have Kaldarasha's models working with NT this way, hopefully.

Gotmilk751 · « **Reply #9557 on:** 2020-05-21 20:14:51 »

Quote from: Sega Chief on 2020-05-21 13:03:58

The Reunion version of NT is all NT text, the Beacause part isn't compatible with NT.

Ok great, thanks for the clarification. Judging from earlier posts I'll probably wait until 2.0 comes out to give this a try, but I'm excited for it!

thunderbreak · « **Reply #9558 on:** 2020-05-21 21:18:20 »

Can you please remove any script that removes materia and equipment from temporary member lost? Last time I lost half my materias in the Dark Cave due to capacity cap, this time I lost most my materia in Northern Crater after the split. It's really frustrating to lose hours of progress and grinding like this. I believe in the beginning there was a part that materias and accessories are forced to be taken off too, but I wasn't at the cap so I didn't lose anything. Still kind of annoy to go back and reslot everything when the member is only missing for like 10 mins.

Sega Chief · « **Reply #9559 on:** 2020-05-21 22:50:06 »

Quote from: Agravaile on 2020-05-21 17:17:59

So, in short, basically NT's R06 version models (field and battle) are not important and can be replaced/deleted without fear of wrecking anything, correct?

I ask that because, for example, say if there's some new models added that could be important for the story or for battles that will just ruin the scene if the default ones are used. But basically, what i am trying to do, is to have none of models NT has, because my field and battles models are already moded, which i want to use effectively with NT.

Sorry if the question seems a bit obvious, just want to make sure everything works

Edit: Basically, what i did is take all the models from NT in Direct folder, and merge them with (Model_overhaul) base models of Reunion without replacing them so it would have also the files that were only present in NT, and afterwards deleting them from Direct folder, so NT would be accessing them from Reunion files, not it's own. I'll see if it works this way so i can have Kaldarasha's models working with NT this way, hopefully.

NT adds new enemy models past the default ones (SN and onwards to XC or so). Some new field models were added but far fewer. Anything that was default can be replaced. The approach you've used should be fine.

Quote from: Gotmilk751 on 2020-05-21 20:14:51

Ok great, thanks for the clarification. Judging from earlier posts I'll probably wait until 2.0 comes out to give this a try, but I'm excited for it!

Cool, it won't be long.

Quote from: thunderbreak on 2020-05-21 21:18:20

Can you please remove any script that removes materia and equipment from temporary member lost? Last time I lost half my materias in the Dark Cave due to capacity cap, this time I lost most my materia in Northern Crater after the split. It's really frustrating to lose hours of progress and grinding like this. I believe in the beginning there was a part that materias and accessories are forced to be taken off too, but I wasn't at the cap so I didn't lose anything. Still kind of annoy to go back and reslot everything when the member is only missing for like 10 mins.

I'll do that tonight.

Installer
https://mega.nz/file/Sxk12SxQ#NLHCCDh5R5zLzCiM7P3mKRQQNh_6Y3UN63Dl387sbDk

IRO
Edit: https://mega.nz/file/3okB1ILL#0-M3qeKPnH6_BqH7prdgVs77t7dLvtveWwLgdawvnVA

EmperorSteele · « **Reply #9560 on:** 2020-05-22 03:08:05 »

So I'm at the temple of the ancients, and the buttons/commands aren't showing up for the clock room! I don't know if its this mod or the EUSI (or whatever it's called), but could ya take a look?

Exlo · « **Reply #9561 on:** 2020-05-22 03:53:59 »

First of all thanks so much for what you're doing here. Just blasted through the original game (after being tantalized by the remake) and soon after discovered these forums and what looks like a ridiculous amount of work put in by this community. I've been playing your mod over Reunion and have been loving all the changes.

I've only had a couple of issues, and it seems related to the EXE. Hi-potions only restore 500 from the menu (but not regular potions??) and the Limit breaks seem to be vanilla. Maybe I'm being silly here but do I need to run your patcher as well as dropping the files into Reunion's custom folder? Or are the EXE changes not going to be available to me on Reunion (if I'm not mistaken Reunion patches the EXE as well?).

Still new to all this, so my apologies if I'm missing something obvious here. (:

Sega Chief · « **Reply #9562 on:** 2020-05-22 03:59:08 »

Quote from: EmperorSteele on 2020-05-22 03:08:05

So I'm at the temple of the ancients, and the buttons/commands aren't showing up for the clock room! I don't know if its this mod or the EUSI (or whatever it's called), but could ya take a look?

Think I've got it, just tested it so will up the patch.

Quote from: Exlo on 2020-05-22 03:53:59

First of all thanks so much for what you're doing here. Just blasted through the original game (after being tantalized by the remake) and soon after discovered these forums and what looks like a ridiculous amount of work put in by this community. I've been playing your mod over Reunion and have been loving all the changes.

I've only had a couple of issues, and it seems related to the EXE. Hi-potions only restore 500 from the menu (but not regular potions??) and the Limit breaks seem to be vanilla. Maybe I'm being silly here but do I need to run your patcher as well as dropping the files into Reunion's custom folder? Or are the EXE changes not going to be available to me on Reunion (if I'm not mistaken Reunion patches the EXE as well?).

Still new to all this, so my apologies if I'm missing something obvious here. (:

No, it'll just be some lines missing from the hext file. I think I noticed that hi-potion was missing from the 2.0 Reunion hext a while back, I guess it must be missing from the 1.5 Reunion hext as well. I'll check it over and add stuff if it's missing.

Edit: R06 updated and the Installer/IRO updated with adjustment for the Temple of the Ancients text boxes in clock room.

KaosuReido · « **Reply #9563 on:** 2020-05-22 08:01:47 »

Hey, is MP Absorb anywhere in New Threat 1.5, and if so, where? The documentation lists it as still existing, without a location, though that could be outdated. I haven't seen it yet and I'm at the Submarine minigame, and a friend of mine who's in the end-game hasn't seen it either. Thanks.

Sega Chief · « **Reply #9564 on:** 2020-05-22 13:15:50 »

Quote from: KaosuReido on 2020-05-22 08:01:47

Hey, is MP Absorb anywhere in New Threat 1.5, and if so, where? The documentation lists it as still existing, without a location, though that could be outdated. I haven't seen it yet and I'm at the Submarine minigame, and a friend of mine who's in the end-game hasn't seen it either. Thanks.

It's in the cat house of Wutai, the building that's next to Yuffie's House. At the back is a stair-well you can climb by hitting confirm once the Wutai sidequest is done. If it isn't done, then a cat sits in front of it to obstruct it.

markul · « **Reply #9565 on:** 2020-05-22 16:22:26 »

Hi Sega! One suggest ,for the optional end bosses, what do you think about put some custom music in that battles

Spoiler: show

. Now that you start to put specific things in .IRO version ...why stop now ?? xD

cjmstate · « **Reply #9566 on:** 2020-05-22 20:42:17 »

Sega - for the 7H IRO subscription link - it shows a 2013 release date once it installs. Therefore, I can't tell if it knows when there's an update available.

adiostorito · « **Reply #9567 on:** 2020-05-22 20:55:03 »

Hi, just wanted to say thank you for all your hard work. I was playing through the vanilla version of the mod, and when doing the elevator fight in Shinra Headquarters, the arena was where you would fight Proud Clod and instead of Hundred Gunner, the fight went straight to Heli Gunner instead.
Following that, the game played normally up until the end of the motorcycle minigame and crashes upon trying to start the boss fight.

Sega Chief · « **Reply #9568 on:** 2020-05-22 23:10:06 »

Quote from: markul on 2020-05-22 16:22:26

Hi Sega! One suggest ,for the optional end bosses, what do you think about put some custom music in that battles
Spoiler: show
Like Zack, or Shinryu and Omega, in the same way that Ozma
. Now that you start to put specific things in .IRO version ...why stop now ?? xD

Could do, I guess. I'd target the battle themes they currently use though for the swap to avoid the 'comical.ogg' issue.

Quote from: cjmstate on 2020-05-22 20:42:17

Sega - for the 7H IRO subscription link - it shows a 2013 release date once it installs. Therefore, I can't tell if it knows when there's an update available.

When I set it up, I thought release date was when the mod was originally made. I'll change it to the current date so that it reports an update is available from now on.

Quote from: adiostorito on 2020-05-22 20:55:03

Hi, just wanted to say thank you for all your hard work. I was playing through the vanilla version of the mod, and when doing the elevator fight in Shinra Headquarters, the arena was where you would fight Proud Clod and instead of Hundred Gunner, the fight went straight to Heli Gunner instead.
Following that, the game played normally up until the end of the motorcycle minigame and crashes upon trying to start the boss fight.

It sounds like the vanilla version is running on Arrange Mode for some reason. Are you using the IRO from the Qhimm Gameplay catalog or my catalog? Or is it the installer?

adiostorito · « **Reply #9569 on:** 2020-05-23 00:40:08 »

Quote from: Sega Chief on 2020-05-22 23:10:06

It sounds like the vanilla version is running on Arrange Mode for some reason. Are you using the IRO from the Qhimm Gameplay catalog or my catalog? Or is it the installer?

I believe it's the one from your catalog, it's the one the front page of this thread that got updated after Barachiel's post. I played through the regular version of the mod on normal difficulty before starting this one, and while the combat is the same as original FF7, it does have New Threat scripts on the save points.

Cybj · « **Reply #9570 on:** 2020-05-23 13:00:00 »

As a hardcore FF7 fan, let me start by saying that I love this. I pretty much know the location of every single item (steal/morph included) by heart, but after FF7 Remake I wanted to replay the original. New threat gives me a new way to look at the game, and I thank you. And yes, I realise that thanks doesn't buy dinner, so you'll have some donations coming to back it up.

Some minor bugs to report:
- Game softlocks after looking at the TV in the Shinra bldg shop on the 2nd floor
- Game softlocks after finishing a chocobo battle when the chocobo escapes

Spoiler: show

Sega Chief · « **Reply #9571 on:** 2020-05-23 14:51:01 »

Quote from: adiostorito on 2020-05-23 00:40:08

I believe it's the one from your catalog, it's the one the front page of this thread that got updated after Barachiel's post. I played through the regular version of the mod on normal difficulty before starting this one, and while the combat is the same as original FF7, it does have New Threat scripts on the save points.

OK, I'll go back in and check. The variable that handles it didn't seem to be getting toggled anywhere so I'll need to find out what's happening.

Quote from: Cybj on 2020-05-23 13:00:00

As a hardcore FF7 fan, let me start by saying that I love this. I pretty much know the location of every single item (steal/morph included) by heart, but after FF7 Remake I wanted to replay the original. New threat gives me a new way to look at the game, and I thank you. And yes, I realise that thanks doesn't buy dinner, so you'll have some donations coming to back it up.

Some minor bugs to report:
- Game softlocks after looking at the TV in the Shinra bldg shop on the 2nd floor
- Game softlocks after finishing a chocobo battle when the chocobo escapes

Spoiler: show
I was a bit dismayed that you took away the weapon steal from Eligor, but I'll learn to live with it

It's been re-added for 2.0, Hell House will have something as well.

I'll check these softlocks, seem to be new.

EmperorSteele · « **Reply #9572 on:** 2020-05-23 16:02:24 »

Hey SC! Sorry to be a bother, but I have NT set to auto-update from your catalog, but it doesn't seem to have downloaded the last couple of updates (such as the clock room fix). I'm unable to tell if it's an issue with the catalog, 7H, or something on my end. Any ideas would be appreciated!

Sega Chief · « **Reply #9573 on:** 2020-05-23 19:39:00 »

Quote from: EmperorSteele on 2020-05-23 16:02:24

Hey SC! Sorry to be a bother, but I have NT set to auto-update from your catalog, but it doesn't seem to have downloaded the last couple of updates (such as the clock room fix). I'm unable to tell if it's an issue with the catalog, 7H, or something on my end. Any ideas would be appreciated!

It was because I wasn't changing the date on it, I'll be doing that from now on.

adiostorito · « **Reply #9574 on:** 2020-05-23 21:28:42 »

Hi, I wanted to keep an update as I continued on in the game. I got to Junon and started up the boss fight with Bottomswell, and instead of the regular boss fight it took me to the Shinra building against 3 Sawbacks. The game continued normally past that.