Project edge and discord

[GeoffreyMc Jefferson]

Actually, none of that is true anymore... Discord now has a fully fledged forum system.



Those are all permanent topics in the "Echo-s bugs" subforum... Just saying... It's not taking the forum's place, but it has more potential than ever to do so. It actually is good for everything now. lol... If it wasn't for the 25 years of information we have built up here, it would probably go that way.

Ok, that solves exactly one problem with Discord. That however still doesn't change the fact everything that is posted there still happens inside the Discord ecosystem. Content posted there is not indexable by any search engine or something like the Wayback Machine. If anything happens to Discord, or the community gets deleted for whatever reason, that will be the end of it. Everything posted there will be lost forever. It's a completely closed-off ecosystem that nobody who doesn't have/doesn't want a Discord account can access and that is the main problem here I think. If independent forums can clearly exist, I just don't see the need to make yourself rely on a platform that runs on proprietary servers, is closed-off to outsiders and at a constant risk of losing everything that was ever posted on there, because Discord, the company, owns the platform and the servers. Not to mention their policies decide what is free speech and what isn't. They are free to censor or shadowban you if they don't like your opinions, it's the same with Reddit really.

As an independent forum owner, platforms like Discord to me if anything should be considered a threat. A threat to free speech on the internet, a thread to preservation of conversations/information for the future, a thread to the independence about the way people have discussions on the internet.

I can't help but wonder, why are people in this day and age so OBSESSED with completely giving up their independence and blindly handing over control over major aspects of their lives to big corporations? I'd say the way we communicate is a pretty major aspect. It almost seems like people buy into the "you will own (and control) nothing and be happy" thing.

[ff7maniac]

sbwy4_6 by Shunsq



Removed link as field is broken and not ready for release - Bonez

[Bonez]

Whoa slow down. What Shunsq posted wasn't sliced properly. It was corrupted or something. What you just posted doesn't work in-game.

[ff7maniac]

and well sorry but for those who don't have discord it's impossible to know.... and then since no one bothers to post the new scenes here anymore. i just do my possible to give access to the new scenes. i'm sorry if this offends some people.

[Bonez]

There hasn't been anything new for anyone to post...

[ff7maniac]

if there is really nothing new then why did I find a link ?... something must have been posted somewhere at some point for a link to be made available. here no one bothers to give us news of the project the only answer that we do have from staff, you etc is (go to discord go to discord like a robot) it will soon be a year that jusete did not connect here. There are several images of scenes that Shunsq made and here we have no preview




this one is jusete

I ask you the question in all honesty, okay, why don't you, the staff etc close the forum? If no one posts the progress of the mods, the links etc and 7th heaven, qhim, and the other projects have their own site or their discord etc, why don't you close the forum if you think that it is no longer useful to anyone ?

[Bonez]

?... something must have been posted somewhere at some point for a link to be made available.

You found a link because whoever runs that website ripped some test stuff from the discord and posted it without testing it. Not because anyone is keeping anything from you. It's not my fault they jumped the gun.

here no one bothers to give us news of the project the only answer that we do have from staff, you etc is (go to discord go to discord like a robot)

Because that is the only answer. I can't make Jusete and Shunsq post here.

it will soon be a year that jusete did not connect here.

It will soon be a year that jusete hasn't posted any real content in the discord too. He has other stuff going on in his life besides making fields for you.

There are several images of scenes that Shunsq made and here we have no preview

Yeah, they're previews that Shunsq posted in Discord. Again, I can't force Shunsq to post here. But regardless, there haven't been any actual field releases for them to post here. It was said the finished fields would be posted here. He never promised anything about posting previews or anything else here.

I ask you the question in all honesty, okay, why don't you, the staff etc close the forum? If no one posts the progress of the mods, the links etc and 7th heaven, qhim, and the other projects have their own site or their discord etc, why don't you close the forum if you think that it is no longer useful to anyone ?

That's just silly. This isn't the Jusete/Project Edge forum. It's the Qhimm forum and there are new posts here everyday.

These are just posts that I haven't read. I can't help if it's not things that interest you. I don't know why you've started on this Discord tangent again, but cut it out. You constantly nagging about it isn't going to change anything and I've had to purge far too many conversations with you about it from Jusete's thread. Every time you start talking about Discord in the Jusete thread, I'm just going to keep merging it over here.

...I was just letting you know what you posted was broken...

[ff7maniac]

sorry if what I said was taken the wrong way. i apologize for that . I know you can't force anyone to post here but you or other staff members follow the progress on discord right? it would just be nice if someone gave us news from time to time that's all I'm saying.

[Bonez]

Seems you know where to find them and have no problem posting them, so why don't you just post them when you see they come out without the little passive aggressive notes every time? Those aren't going to accomplish anything

[ff7maniac]

I always ask first if there is anything new, that way the people concerned, creator, modder etc, will maybe post them themselves. I am not the creator and it shouldn't be up to me to do it to post them here, when there is something new i do it because no one does it. There are probably people who don't want to download them anywhere other than here for reasons already mentioned etc. There must also be people who don't want to download the entire iro file every time something new comes out, it can probably also be useful for people who don't want to or can't use 7heaven for x reason. Here you can download without needing an account, which is not the case on Discord, Nexus, etc. that's why I do it.

[Bonez]

Right, you've said most of that before, so again:

-Jusete posts the finished fields as soon as they're ready as well as progress updates, previews and conversation on the discord. This is THE source.
-The fields are uploaded to the 7H catalog shortly after. Usually within a day or so. You can use the mirror site to download via browser and unpack via IRO tools. 7H not required. No accounts required. https://tsunamods-codes.github.io/7th-Heaven-Catalogs/
-The fields are available via torrent in folder form. Usually updated within a day or so. if you don't want to download the whole thing every time, this is the option for you. No accounts required. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473555452563554304/1409684365516083240/Project_Edge_2025-08-25.torrent?ex=68e05f5f&is=68df0ddf&hm=550652bb24e7feedcb86bc8478e19e45cca22861e5034a6bdb1a13e89ac55555&
-Jusete posts the finished fields here. Admittedly not always as quickly as other options. You're going to wait an unknowable amount of time.

*- It appears as though SoulEvan now lurks the discord and grabs the fields straight from there to put on his site (or someone else on his behalf). But, be careful. He's pulled WIP stuff and posted it in a broken state without doing his due diligence. sbwy4_6 is still on his site despite it not being finished and in a broken state. I've tried to tell him, but it's gone ignored.https://finalfantasy.german-syslinux-blog.de/FF7/

Jusete doesn't owe it to you to do what you want and in the way you want it done. It's his prerogative. You have options. If you're only willing to use option 4, then that is on you.

We've already been through that.  None of that is changing. That's all a non-issue.

So you admit you keep asking to try and goad jusete into posting. Well, yeah that's pretty transparent, but obviously not working.

You say it's not up to you to post them, yet you do it anyway. It's not my job to post them either, yet I've done it several times without complaining. It's not really my responsibility to put them up on the catalog either, yet I do it anyway. It's not really Urquan's responsibility to manage the torrent, but he does it anyway. It's not really SoulEvan's responsibility to host the files on his mirror site, yet he does is anyway. And It's not really Jusete's responsibility to post them anywhere. He made the things, he's committed to releasing them in the manner that he has seen fit (discord) and posting them here is secondary. That's the end of it. Anything beyond that is up to us collectively.

I'm just saying if you're going to post them and be helpful, great. Do it. Or don't, I don't care. But don't do it AND be a passive aggressive jerk about it. None of that is going to accomplish anything.

[ff7maniac]

I'm not a jerk, I never insult anyone in my messages, while you seem to want to look down on me. The only thing I'm trying to do is offer the new scenes but the old way for people who want them that way, that's all. I am not a sheep or a robot that goes beep beep that dives off a cliff because the one in front does it, it seems to me that it is not a crime to remain more traditional or to do things differently from others. I understand, next time I will write my questions, my answers and my messages like a robot without feelings, is that okay ?

[Bonez]

I'm not a jerk,
The only thing I'm trying to do is offer the new scenes but the old way for people who want them that way, that's all.

and as usual here nothing..

well, since no one wants to take care of it...

You know what you're doing and I know what you're doing.

while you seem to want to look down on me.
I am not a sheep or a robot that goes beep beep that dives off a cliff because the one in front does it, it seems to me that it is not a crime to remain more traditional or to do things differently from others. I understand, next time I will write my questions, my answers and my messages like a robot without feelings, is that okay ?

You're definitely putting words in my mouth here. I have no idea what you're talking about. Looking down on you? I'm not berating you for refusing to use discord and wanting to remain "traditional". You've brought all that up, not me. Again I'm just saying you don't need to wait 'til you know a new field has come out, then start asking if a new one has come out when you already know the answer (there is no reason to do this). Then proceed to post the thing you're asking for while acting like it's strange that it hasn't been posted here when you know the deal. As if we haven't had this exact same conversation over and over for the past 3 years (and I'll once again have to merge this conversation out into the separate thread about this). You've just started being passive aggressive about it instead of outright complaining.

[ff7maniac]

AND be a passive aggressive jerk about it. None of that is going to accomplish anything.

You call me a jerk, if that's not talking down to me, what is? I wasn't passive aggressive, I expressed my resentment, I didn't tell anyone to fuck off, I didn't insult anyone, if it's gotten to the point where we don't even have the right to freedom of expression and express our resentment, etc. anyway, I said it now I'm going to write like a robot, that's all.

[Bonez]

You call me a jerk, if that's not talking down to me, what is?

I didn't just call you a jerk. I said you were being a passive aggressive jerk about asking about and posting the fields. A jerk as it relates to being passive aggressive. That's a very important distinction.. It's the crux of the entire conversation.

I wasn't passive aggressive, I expressed my resentment, I didn't tell anyone to fuck off, I didn't insult anyone, if it's gotten to the point where we don't even have the right to freedom of expression and express our resentment, etc. anyway, I said it now I'm going to write like a robot, that's all.

No you didn't express your resentment. You asked questions you knew the answer to to try and goad responses. And said things like "well since no one else is going to do it, here it is..."
Those aren't expressly stating your resentment. You're expressing resentment indirectly, through actions rather than direct communication. That is the definition of passive aggressive. You've brought up the discord issue again. I just said to stop being passive aggressive as a round about way to to bring it up. But that's all besides the point: If you want to express your resentment some more, you can do that in the previous thread that I'm going to merge this into with the rest of it. This thread is for Project Edge, not for you to express your resentment for how it's released. Your resentment was noted 3 years ago. That's enough.


So again, if you want to post the fields, Fine, do it. The rest is unnecessary. Any resentment here, passive or otherwise will just be purged at this point.

[ff7maniac]

Sorry but my first language is not English and your way of expressing yourself is not necessarily the same as everyone else's so with a translator it's not clear, at the end of the line you still used the word jerk it would have been enough to write the same sentence without the jerk. Anyway it's obvious that you look down on me because you answer me as if I was 100% wrong about everything i said as if I lived in another world and that you and the rest of the planet were superior in everything. anyway, well I'm wrong it is good to you. From now on I would act like a robot.

[Bonez]

I don't look down on you. I don't care how you live your online life at all. I don't keep bringing that up! You do! That's what I have a problem with.

I'm aggravated that you keep trying to have the exact same conversation over and over and over again. That is what I have a problem with. Your issue with project edge's release has been discussed to death. Your resentment is known. Your options have been given to you. And that's the end of it. It isn't going to change. Stop bringing it up. Passive aggressively or otherwise.

And the fact that you keep ignoring the past conversations and continue to bring it up despite being told to stop and have resorted to even trying to do it passive aggressively instead is very jerkish. That is what you are 100% wrong about.

[ff7maniac]

If you are aggravated just by a few messages once in a while, I will hold back from talking otherwise I will say nasty things and you will ban me so like a nice robot i'm just going to say beep beep ok.

[Bonez]

Few messages? No. 3 entire years of messages. This whole thread plus what's left in the parent thread.

[ff7maniac]

You would have real reason to be exasperated if for 3 years I had written every day. you think 2 page in 3 years is a lot? It's nothing, it's a few messages here and there, nothing more. You're being a bit dramatic.

[Bonez]

The thing is, you shouldn't be writing it at all. You've been told to stop bringing it up multiple times. You're ignoring that. If I'm being dramatic, you're being childish by keeping this going for 3 years despite that. Let it go.

Do you see how this keeps going in a circle?

[ff7maniac]

but you don't seem to understand that when we are told to shut up it can drive us crazy it makes things worse, we feel like we are being gagged, that our right to express ourselves is being taken away, yes I know that this subject has been brought up several times but it's stronger than me, if I feel attacked, assaulted etc my reflex doesn't have to curl up into a little ball. I'm sorry but I understand what you're saying, I apologize.

[Bonez]

All of that is moot. You don't seem to understand that this isn't a democracy, as Sl1982 says. You don't have "a right to express yourself" here. When a moderator tells you to do something or not do something, that's the end of it. If you want to keep expressing your resentment, you can continue to do it here for all the good that will do you. And consider it a courtesy that I allow that and don't take action against you. Just keep it out of Jusete's thread.

Be courteous, polite and show respect to others. Use of the forums is a privilege, not a right. Being a d*ck may get you warned. It may get you moderated. You might get banned for being a d*ck.

[ff7maniac]

Personally, I don't think I'll continue to express myself here, I feel like I've reached North Korea, and I don't want to feel gagged or banned from the forum so I'll stop there.

[Bonez]

Now who's being dramatic?

Anyway, that's a good idea. Keep your word.

And in that case, I'll go ahead and lock this thread. It's only a circular conversation anyway. Nothing new needs to be said about it, and everything said about it doesn't need to be repeated (any more than it has).