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Sir Canealot

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Hheh. Right here we are.
I have a movie of someone beating FFVII's Emerald Weapon in 1:30. Its one of the crazy 12 counter things, or whatever. Its pretty nuts.

The purpose of this topic is:
A: Anyone want it? I can either DCC it, send it  to you over MSN, maybe someone can even upload it to their webspace. Its only 10 megs.
B: Its from a Jappanese TV show. Anyone fancy translateing it (I know theres 1 or 2 Jappanese speakers on Qhimms, forgive me for forgetting who you are :P)? I'd like to know EXACLY what they're doing as this is looks like some mad bug/technique/thingy to me.

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« Reply #1 on: 2003-08-22 12:40:48 »
I can host it on my webspace.

You can... e-mail it to me (doesn't matter how big it is), or send it over some IM platform (see my profile).  Or contact me about uploading to my FTP.

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« Reply #2 on: 2003-08-23 20:30:39 »
any news on this, id like to see it myself as well :)

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« Reply #3 on: 2003-08-24 03:17:28 »
I'll try and get it off tomorow. I'm just waiting on a Bittorent to finish off right now and I've had freinds over the last couple of days...

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« Reply #4 on: 2003-08-24 22:46:54 »
Aaron's Email is now being pwned by my 10k/s ul

Edit: Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to:

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« Reply #5 on: 2003-08-25 02:39:32 »
Ah don't worry about the mobile.att.net business, that's it trying to forward to my cell phone but it can't messages with large attachments.

I got your e-mail will upload shortly...

[Edit] OMG!
http://aaronserv.dyndns.org/!!stuff/qhimm/ff7_emerald.avi

[Edit] Moved all my Qhimm.com hosting stuff to a new folder on my server, link updated.

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« Reply #6 on: 2003-08-25 12:09:35 »
That's mad... how the hell did they manage to do that?!

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« Reply #7 on: 2003-08-25 23:13:02 »
downloading now, lets hope its good

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« Reply #8 on: 2003-08-25 23:28:22 »
wow¬!
what was that 6 limit breaks in a row?
nutz, they said something like this:
starting with CLOUD and BARRET 3rd person was dead :P
**SPOILERS**
W-ITEM on cloud to start and using possibly first strike/ pre emptive materia to get the first move? (thats my suggestion)
2 hero drinks on barret (who i think has auto barrier)
then he get a limit break using Anger Max
used limit break does an awful lot of damage :D
barret gets hit takes 900HP damage
next cloud defends his turn
barret uses MIME, but in the explanation looks like Command Counter materia (thats what it sounded like) with MIME?
and then game over 6 anger maxes and emmy is dead :P suprised i was

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« Reply #9 on: 2003-08-25 23:31:21 »
btw anyone notice the writing over clouds MAX HP number?
couldnt see it clearly, ive never ever seen something like that in the UK PSX/PC versions....

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« Reply #10 on: 2003-08-26 02:05:51 »
(Mod ranting) You know you could edit those three posts down to one and save us some space.  I hate to be picky but

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Don't make consecutive posts, just edit your most recent one if you have something new to say, unless someone else has made a new post in the same thread since then.

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« Reply #11 on: 2003-08-26 03:19:27 »
It's not exactly a new strategy, by any means.  Age old Counter+Mime recipe.  They've placed 8 pairs of those (all Mastered) on Barret, so when he gets attacked, he uses Mime 8 times.  And since you can Mime your own Limit Breaks, guess what Barret does?

Barret has the Missing Score and Wizard Brace(let) on him.  There's no Sneak Attack or Pre-emptive Strike happening here; the person doing it is just choosing W-Item as fast as possible, and dumping two Hero Drinks on Barret.  Cloud *is* in Haste status though (Haste is what is replacing his Max HP, for the record, so he's likely wearing Sprint Shoes).

The Barret you see has 255 in all stats (definitely Str, Spr and Luck, at least) and L99.  I also don't believe it's possible to get 9999 without using HP Plus *legitimately*, so that could be hacked too.  But it doesn't matter; Str is all you need for this.

After two Hero Drinks, Barret has 408 Str and Spr.  His base damage is thus 19338.  Angermax does 1/2 of Base Damage (9669), and Emerald Weapon has 180 Def, so that drops the damage to 5877 to 6269 per hit of Angermax.  Keep in mind that this can critical (quite likely to happen due to 255 Luck) to do 9999 damage in that hit.  Assuming no criticals, it would take, at worst, 10 uses of Angermax to defeat Emerald.  The more criticals you get, the less you have to use.  As you saw, it only took 7 uses.  The maximum number you could get out of this in one turn is 9 (8 Counters, plus a normal Mime command that you sneak in afterwards).  Coupling that with the original use of Angermax, and there's your 10.  Emerald is dead, whether he likes it or not.

And in case you're interested about what Emerald tried to do about all this... he tried Emerald Shoot, which would do 9520.875 damage max against a 0 Magic Def character.  Except Barret has 408 MDf (255 Max, plus 2 Hero Drinks).  Which reduces it to 1933 max.  And Shell (from a Protect Ring, no doubt) reduces that to 906 to 966 damage.

Morale of this story: you can learn a lot just by seeing how much damage is done in a movie... and Counter + Mime has *always* been a sickening combination.  Like I said, it's not a new strategy.

But, then again, keep this in mind.  You need 8 mastered Mimes, and 8 mastered Counters.  You need 255 Att.  This is by no means simple to accumulate.

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« Reply #12 on: 2003-08-26 23:54:40 »
heheh just something to try out when u use a save editor then :D
of course the tactics are not new, but reading alot of guides in my times for emmy and ruby and what not i dont remember seeing a full x10 mime counter setup . ive seen ones with lots of ultima counter, or loads of counter attack materia, KOTR combos etc

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« Reply #13 on: 2003-08-27 09:48:53 »
Well I've tested it with a save editor and yeah I beat Emerald in 1:30 too.....  :P

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« Reply #14 on: 2003-09-14 15:02:29 »
Ok now i can show the emerald weapon who's boss i havent been killed by him 5975 times for nothing. . . .today is my victory day!! :D

. . . . . . . . . . .Aww crap ths means im gonna have to reinstall and play all the way from the beginning. . . .does anyone have a save game they could send me somewhere on disc 2/3. . . .like the city of the ancients. . .oh and im garrett nice to meet you guys. . .the jenova editor gave me a whole new meaning to replay FF7 again :)

oh btw on the video i noticed the mime materias but what were the ones linked to the mime materias.

EDIT: oh right they were counter materias

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« Reply #15 on: 2003-09-15 21:42:49 »
I have a savegame for you, Garrett. Although the character levels are awfully low, you can change that easily with Jenova  :D

Here it is!

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« Reply #16 on: 2003-09-16 01:15:50 »
Thank You

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« Reply #17 on: 2003-09-17 04:25:04 »
WOW!! That was awesome.. just awesome..  

<~~~ Speechless..

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« Reply #18 on: 2003-09-19 16:02:50 »
lo Sir Canalot
Where did you get that movie? anymore places you can get similar videos for FF7 or other games?
I would be interested if anyone has a radical setup for Ruby weapon, and not using KOTR :)
that would be a good viewing.

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« Reply #19 on: 2003-09-22 18:48:46 »
Someone sent it to me over IRC... I have no idea whether you can get more like that sorry. And as a good freind of mine mentioned when discussing whether that was done with a Game Shark or not... :

[02:10] <SunGod> But it's like a Zanmato tactic I guess
[02:10] <SunGod> One hit kill
[02:10] <ShinJin> "so like, i spent three hours in this cave fighting a wack pot, it was dope!"
[02:10] <SunGod> lol
[02:10] <ShinJin> is that the line your looking for?

Allthough probebly only amusing to other londoners here hahaha.

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« Reply #20 on: 2003-09-23 01:14:04 »
well we know the magic pots provide lots of ap, so i guess thats how the materia was levelled up sure was good to watch.

question tho, do the hero potions really add hundreds of ability pints and allow total above 255?

also I didnt know attack and defense points made that much difference, how much difference does +1 strength give to damage and does +1 on weapon strength same as character strength?

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« Reply #21 on: 2003-09-26 17:54:20 »
HOLY DAMMNNNN  :o .

I need to try that trick.  Didn't even know you could do something like that.

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« Reply #22 on: 2003-09-27 04:11:59 »
chrysalis:
best direct that to Terrence Ferguson, who has honoured us with one post after god knows how long.
Well its something like hero potion increases stats by 50% so two hero potions is an 100% increase in those stats.
the +1 attack points Qs are more like saying +1 on the weapon adds to ur attack statistic base points, so if u got 30 attack, then get a weapon with 10 attack points, then you have 40 attack points.
Now take away any -attack points from materia  and that makes the final amount which appears in your status screen.
Now i think its something like the amount of defense points your opponent has comes into play.
Take your enemy's defense points from your attack points that gives you your current attack rating (on that one enemy), then other factors come into play like status, weapon type, etc then you do something like times it by your level??
Terrence or some one help me :P

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« Reply #23 on: 2003-09-27 06:36:12 »
Ok well few things I dont get

"After two Hero Drinks, Barret has 408 Str and Spr. His base damage is thus 19338. Angermax does 1/2 of Base Damage (9669), and Emerald Weapon has 180 Def, so that drops the damage to 5877 to 6269 per hit of Angermax."

spr=spirit i think

so spirit affects attack damage? and where did this 19338 figure come from heh.

Now I know from earlier on in the game that +1 defense point deducts 1 damage cause I had 1 character with 5 more defense than cloud and he took 5 less damage so I assumed the most damage possible you can deduct from a attack is 255 and defense % was much more effective.  But looking at these figures its stating 180 defence is the equivalent to 5877 ???, also I dont know how the luck was worked out, because I know late game my characters especially with their ultimate weapons tend to get critical hit every 3 to 4 attacks at least even when in fury mode but have luck nowhere near 255, I always thought accuracy was down to the attack %.

I am probably wrong on all this but things I want to know are.

What does luck actually do
What does spirit do(defense v magic attacks?)
How do you work out attack damage
What does attack% do, I am fairly sure defense % cause enemy to miss % of times because with defense % of 50 enemy misses an awful lot.


Also like to add 9999 hp can be achieved without hp plus because barret had no magic materia on him so had no penalties on his hp bar.

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« Reply #24 on: 2003-09-27 08:41:37 »
Spirit does not effect your base damage, he quoted spr to show because the emerald weapon does attack barret and he uses the number abit further down the paragraph.
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What does luck actually do

luck contributes to alot of factors, ie number of critical hits is increases, chances of missing an attack, back attacks are reduced, chances of munipulation, critical hits, etc minor details where a random factor comes into play, thats where luck stats can play a part.
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What does spirit do(defense v magic attacks?)

Spirit is for Magical defense, simply put.
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How do you work out attack damage

i dont know how terrence got those figures for base damage, he knows the formula needed to calculate this. Like I said before theres a base damage number worked out from YOUR attack stats, YOUR weapon sts, and Accesory Stats, as well as materia effects your attack. And your Enemies defense stats come into play as well.

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What does attack% do,

This is your chances of hitting your opponent, I think once you get over 100% then it decides the chances of hitting a critical hit. Of course your opponent has defense % as well, that comes in as well.

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Also like to add 9999 hp can be achieved without hp plus because barret had no magic materia on him so had no penalties on his hp bar

But can your player reach 9999hp even at level 99? not for me, usually u will get short of 9999, like 9378 or something