crash at Cosmo Canyon

[uffe1909]

Hi;
I seem to be one of the people that is "blessed" :wicked: with the crash when viewing the movie sequence at Cosmo Canyon.
After the comment about the shooting star the screen freezes.
After days of installing patches, copying and replacing movie files, updating drivers, etc and still no result i am getting desperate.
Is there anybody that can help me by playing past this part using my save file?
Save file can be found at:
http://home.zonnet.nl/uffe1909/save02.ff71

[Threesixty]

And how exactly do you plan on getting it back?
Need an email address or something....

I looked in your profile.....I hope it's correct...anyway....

While playing thru, I noticed something, You say it cashes when you see the falling star. I just notice that a sound effect plays on my left speaker as the shooting star goes by. I bet you that that is what is causing this movie to crash. It has to be Sound Related.....meaning SoundCard related.

I had this problem with another movie once...biglight.avi. when the weapons were screaming the sound was way out of sync and would crash my PC....the solution for me was to put Dxdiag in basic mode.... I've also had FF7 crash on me during the Dolphin thing....the game would crash everytime the Splash sound effect would try to play. Basic mode fix that, too.

Now, in the past I've been suggesting this cure to other people, for this certain crash, but it doesn't work for them.....so the solution has to lie somewhere else......the question is where? I'm going to guess that it's a codec problem.....some kind of Codec conflict.

If anyone knows how to delete Codecs from windoes, I bet that would be the start of a solution to this crash.

For win98, you would go into multimedia icon in Control Panel and start removing them manually, under Devices and Video Compression Codec. But it's kinda extreme....I don't know what it would mess up. I've done that once, in Win95....years ago, and Win95 ended up reloading Codecs as it needed them. In otherwords it didn't mess anything up....but that was Win95.

[Aaron]

Interesting... well, anyway, for deleting codecs (in Windows XP):
Go to the device manager, go to Sound, Video and Game Controlers -> Audio (or video) Codecs and Properties, then go to the second tab.  Here's a list of codecs, and you can just click one and hit "Remove."

I've never done this, I don't want to mess with the codecs on my system, but it looks like that would work.

Maybe if you posted a list of codecs that show up in your list, and we can compare it to ours and see if you have extraneous ones?

[J*** H*******]

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[uffe1909]

Threesixty
The mail address you used was correct.
Thanks for the effort. Ill try the save file this evening at home.
As for finding a solution:
I already tried the sound in basic mode, and indeed it this did not work for me.
I'll keep a backup of the save file before the crash so i can reproduce the problem and post a list of codecs. maybe someone can figure out what the problem is.
Maybe it is an idea to post a link to a save file after this crash ( and maybe some others ) in http://forums.qhimm.com/viewtopic.php?t=1662 FAQ: How to get FFVII PC running on Win2K/NT5.
This way users having the same problem can use these save files in stead of having to find someone to play past the problem.
using the jenova program you can than modify it so it is equal to your save file before the problem.

[Threesixty]

The only problem with having a downloadable savefile  is that your items and leveling won't be the same.

[uffe1909]

The only problem with having a downloadable save file  is that your items and leveling won't be the same.

Well wont you be able to change them using the jenova.exe and for the levels the ff7che.exe?
I was busy doing that when you mailed me my save file.
The only problem i had was that in my save file i had the Yuffie character already in my party, and in the save file she wasn't and i could not add her. ( i could add her, but this made cloud invisible    and she was not selectable when a party needed to be assembled) so i guess you would need 2 save files. one with and without yuffie.
I do not know enough about other common crashes to know if the same would be necessary there but i think the only other optional character is Vincent so this would limit the number of saves.
If i now search for requests for save files ( in this and other forums) i seem to only find 2 or 3 moments where unsolvable problems occur, so posting 6-9 save files and some instructions on how to use the save editors could help a lot of people continuing there game without having to find a helpful person to play past the problem.

[uffe1909]

Ok as for the codecs: This is a list found by GSpot v2.21( i hope this makes sense to anyone)
this is for the video:
DMO   MP4S   Mpeg4s Decoder DMO   Microsoft Corporation   qasf.dll --> mp4sdmod.dll
DMO      WMV Screen decoder DMO   Microsoft Corporation   qasf.dll --> wmsdmod.dll
DMO      WMVideo Decoder DMO   Microsoft Corporation   qasf.dll --> wmvdmod.dll
DMO   MP43   Mpeg43 Decoder DMO   Microsoft Corporation   qasf.dll --> mp43dmod.dll
DMO   MPG4   Mpeg4 Decoder DMO   Microsoft Corporation   qasf.dll --> mpg4dmod.dll
DSH      DV Video Encoder   Microsoft Corporation   qdv.dll
DSH      Indeo® video 5.10 Compression Filter   Intel Corporation   
DSH      MJPEG Compressor   Microsoft Corporation   quartz.dll
DSH   MPEG1   MPEG Video Decoder   Microsoft Corporation   quartz.dll
DSH      DirectVobSub (auto-loading version)   Gabest   vsfilter.dll
DSH   DIVX   DivX Decoder Filter   DivXNetworks, Inc.   divxdec.ax
DSH   MSS1   Microsoft Screen Video Decompressor   Microsoft Corporation   msscds32.ax
DSH   WMV1   Windows Media Video Decoder   Microsoft Corporation   wmvds32.ax
DSH   WMV2   Windows Media Video Decoder   Microsoft Corporation   wmv8ds32.ax
DSH   XVID   XviD MPEG-4 Video Decoder      xvid.ax
DSH   DIVX   DivX Decoder Filter   DivXNetworks, Inc.   divxdec.ax
DSH   MP43   Microsoft MPEG-4 Video Decompressor   Microsoft Corporation   mpg4ds32.ax
DSH   DVSD   DV Video Decoder   Microsoft Corporation   qdv.dll
DSH   IV50   Indeo® video 5.10 Decompression Filter   Intel Corporation   
DSH   MJPG   AVI Draw   Microsoft Corporation   quartz.dll
DSH   TM20   TrueMotion 2.0 Decompressor   The Duck Corporation   tm20dec.ax
DSH      Video Port Manager   Microsoft Corporation   quartz.dll
DSH   MJPG   MJPEG Decompressor   Microsoft Corporation   quartz.dll
DSH      AVI Decompressor   Microsoft Corporation   quartz.dll
DSH   QTRpza   QT Decompressor   Microsoft Corporation   quartz.dll
DSH      CyberLink Video/SP Decoder   CyberLink Corp.   clvsd.ax
VFW   CVID   Cinepak Codec by Radius   Radius Inc.   qcap.dll --> iccvid.dll
VFW   I420   Intel 4:2:0 Video V2.50   Microsoft Corporation   qcap.dll --> msh263.drv
VFW   IV32   Intel Indeo(R) Video R3.2      qcap.dll --> ir32_32.dll
VFW   IV41   Intel Indeo® Video 4.5   Intel Corporation   qcap.dll --> ir41_32.ax
VFW   IV50   Indeo® video 5.10   Intel Corporation   qcap.dll --> ir50_32.dll
VFW   IYUV   Intel IYUV-codec   Microsoft Corporation   qcap.dll --> iyuv_32.dll
VFW   M261   Microsoft H.261 Video Codec   Microsoft Corporation   qcap.dll --> msh261.drv
VFW   M263   Microsoft H.263 Video Codec   Microsoft Corporation   qcap.dll --> msh263.drv
VFW   MRLE   Microsoft RLE   Microsoft Corporation   qcap.dll --> msrle32.dll
VFW   MSVC   Microsoft Video 1   Microsoft Corporation   qcap.dll --> msvidc32.dll

And audio:
ACM   0x0011   Microsoft IMA ADPCM CODEC   Microsoft Corporation   quartz.dll --> imaadp32.acm
ACM   0x0002   Microsoft ADPCM CODEC   Microsoft Corporation   quartz.dll --> msadp32.acm
ACM   0x0006   Microsoft CCITT G.711 A-Law en u-Law CODEC   Microsoft Corporation   quartz.dll --> msg711.acm
ACM   0x0007   Microsoft CCITT G.711 A-Law en u-Law CODEC   Microsoft Corporation   quartz.dll --> msg711.acm
ACM   0x0031   Microsoft GSM 6.10 Audio CODEC   Microsoft Corporation   quartz.dll --> msgsm32.acm
ACM   0x0022   DSP Group TrueSpeech(TM) Software CODEC   DSP GROUP, INC.   quartz.dll --> tssoft32.acm
ACM   0x0042   Microsoft G.723.1 CODEC   Microsoft Corporation   quartz.dll --> msg723.acm
ACM   0x0160   Windows Media Audio   Microsoft Corporation   quartz.dll --> msaud32.acm
ACM   0x0161   Windows Media Audio   Microsoft Corporation   quartz.dll --> msaud32.acm
ACM   0x0130   Sipro Lab Telecom ACELP.net audio codec   Sipro Lab Telecom Inc.   quartz.dll --> sl_anet.acm
ACM   0x0055   Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (advanced)   Fraunhofer Institut Integrierte Schaltungen IIS   quartz.dll --> l3codeca.acm
ACM   0x0402   Indeo® audio software   Intel Corporation   quartz.dll --> iac25_32.ax
DMO   0x0160   WMAudio Decoder DMO   Microsoft Corporation   qasf.dll --> wmadmod.dll
DMO   0x000a   WMSpeech Decoder DMO   Microsoft Corporation   qasf.dll --> wmspdmod.dll
DSH   0x2000   AC3Filter   Copyright © 2002 by Vigovsky Alexander   ac3filter.ax
DSH   0x0050   MPEG Audio Decoder   Microsoft Corporation   quartz.dll
DSH   0x0055   MPEG Layer-3 Decoder   Fraunhofer Institut Integrierte Schaltungen IIS   l3codecx.ax
DSH   0x0161   Windows Media Audio Decoder   Microsoft Corporation   msadds32.ax
DSH   0x0130   ACELP.net Sipro Lab Audio Decoder   Sipro Lab Telecom Inc.   acelpdec.ax
DSH   0x0050   CyberLink Audio Decoder   CyberLink Corp.   claud.ax

[Jedimark]

Oh my... that's a hell of a lot of Codecs!!!

[J*** H*******]

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[Threesixty]

Video:
DSH      DV Video Encoder   Microsoft Corporation   QDV.DLL
DSH      Indeo® video 5.04 Compression Filter   Intel Corporation   IR50_32.DLL
DSH      MJPEG Compressor   Microsoft Corporation   QUARTZ.DLL
DSH      Indeo® video 5.10 Compression Filter   Intel Corporation   IR50_32.DLL
DSH   MPEG1   MPEG Video Decoder   Microsoft Corporation   QUARTZ.DLL
DSH   MSS1   Microsoft Screen Video Decompressor   Microsoft Corporation   MSSCDS32.AX
DSH   WMV1   Windows Media Video Decoder   Microsoft Corporation   WMVDS32.AX
DSH   WMV2   Windows Media Video Decoder   Microsoft Corporation   WMV8DS32.AX
DSH   DIVX   DivX Decoder Filter   DivXNetworks, Inc.   DIVXDEC.AX
DSH   DIVX   DivX Decoder Filter   DivXNetworks, Inc.   DIVXDEC.AX
DSH   MP43   Microsoft MPEG-4 Video Decompressor   Microsoft Corporation   MPG4DS32.AX
DSH      ClearVideo® Decompression Filter   Iterated Systems   CLRAMD.AX
DSH   DVSD   DV Video Decoder   Microsoft Corporation   QDV.DLL
DSH   IV50   Indeo® video 5.10 Decompression Filter   Intel Corporation   IR50_32.DLL
DSH   MJPG   AVI Draw   Microsoft Corporation   QUARTZ.DLL
DSH   TM20   TrueMotion 2.0 Decompressor   The Duck Corporation   TM20DEC.AX
DSH      VIVO Video Decoder Filter   Vivo Software, Inc.   VVVIDFLT.AX
DSH      AVI Decompressor   Microsoft Corporation   QUARTZ.DLL
DSH   QTRpza   QT Decompressor   Microsoft Corporation   QUARTZ.DLL
DSH   MJPG   MJPEG Decompressor   Microsoft Corporation   QUARTZ.DLL
DSH      CyberLink Video/SP Decoder   CyberLink Corp.   CLVSD.AX
VFW   VDOM   VDOnet VDOWave   VDOnet LTD..   QCAP.DLL --> VDOWAVE.DRV
VFW   CVID   Cinepak Codec by Radius   Radius Inc.   QCAP.DLL --> ICCVID.DLL
VFW   IV32   Intel Indeo(R) Video R3.2      QCAP.DLL --> IR32_32.DLL
VFW   MSVC   Microsoft Video 1   Microsoft Corporation   QCAP.DLL --> MSVIDC32.DLL
VFW   MRLE   Microsoft RLE   Microsoft Corporation   QCAP.DLL --> MSRLE32.DLL
VFW   IV50   Indeo® video 5.10   Intel Corporation   QCAP.DLL --> IR50_32.DLL
VFW   DIVX   DivX 5.0.5 Codec   DivXNetworks, Inc.   QCAP.DLL --> DIVX.DLL
VFW   IV41   Intel Indeo® Video 4.3   Intel Corporation   QCAP.DLL --> IR41_32.AX
VFW   YVU9   Intel Indeo® Video Raw R1.2      QCAP.DLL --> IYVU9_32.DLL
VFW   M263   Microsoft H.263 Video Codec   Microsoft Corporation   QCAP.DLL --> MSH263.DRV
VFW   M261   Microsoft H.261 Video Codec   Microsoft Corporation   QCAP.DLL --> MSH261.DRV
VFW   I263   Intel I.263 Video Driver 2.55.016   Intel Corporation   QCAP.DLL --> I263_32.DRV

Audio:
ACM   0x1101   Lernout & Hauspie CODECs      QUARTZ.DLL
ACM   0x1102   Lernout & Hauspie CODECs      QUARTZ.DLL
ACM   0x1103   Lernout & Hauspie CODECs      QUARTZ.DLL
ACM   0x1104   Lernout & Hauspie CODECs      QUARTZ.DLL
ACM   0x0011   Microsoft IMA ADPCM CODEC      QUARTZ.DLL
ACM   0x0002   Microsoft ADPCM CODEC      QUARTZ.DLL
ACM   0x0031   Microsoft GSM 6.10 Audio CODEC      QUARTZ.DLL
ACM   0x0006   Microsoft CCITT G.711 A-Law and u-Law CODEC      QUARTZ.DLL
ACM   0x0007   Microsoft CCITT G.711 A-Law and u-Law CODEC      QUARTZ.DLL
ACM   0x0022   DSP Group TrueSpeech(TM) Software CODEC      QUARTZ.DLL
ACM   0x0042   Microsoft G.723.1 CODEC      QUARTZ.DLL
ACM   0x0402   Indeo® audio software      QUARTZ.DLL
ACM   0x0160   Windows Media Audio      QUARTZ.DLL
ACM   0x0161   Windows Media Audio      QUARTZ.DLL
ACM   0x0130   Sipro Lab Telecom ACELP.net audio codec      QUARTZ.DLL
ACM   0x0055   Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (advanced)      QUARTZ.DLL
ACM   0x0075   Voxware Audio CODECs      QUARTZ.DLL
ACM   0x0074   Voxware Audio CODECs      QUARTZ.DLL
ACM   0x0062   Voxware Audio CODECs      QUARTZ.DLL
ACM   0x0069   Voxware Audio CODECs      QUARTZ.DLL
ACM   0x0082   Microsoft RT24 Audio Codec      QUARTZ.DLL
DSH   0x0050   MPEG Audio Decoder   Microsoft Corporation   QUARTZ.DLL
DSH      Voxware MetaSound Audio Decoder   Voxware, Inc.   VOXMSDEC.AX
DSH      Voxware MetaVoice Audio Decoder   Voxware, Inc.   VOXMVDEC.AX
DSH   0x0055   MPEG Layer-3 Decoder   Fraunhofer Institut Integrierte Schaltungen IIS   L3CODECX.AX
DSH   0x0161   Windows Media Audio Decoder   Microsoft Corporation   MSADDS32.AX
DSH   0x0130   ACELP.net Sipro Lab Audio Decoder   Sipro Lab Telecom Inc.   ACELPDEC.AX
DSH   0x0050   CyberLink Audio Decoder   CyberLink Corp.   CLAUD.AX

I don't know anything about codecs, I don't seem to have that many..... maybe those DMO ones are causing the problem? This is a Win98SE machine, though with a SBlive soundcard, with obsolete drivers (non DirectX9 compatible)

[Rubicant]

I think we may be looking in the wrong area for answers when it comes to video codecs. The movies included with ff7pc are all in Truemotion 2.0. When the movies play in ff7, IIRC all filters are removed so that a raw compressed file is played. If we were to delete tm20dec.ax, the ff7 movies are unplayable in windows media player. However, they still are playable in ff7. I can't really determine what that means.

I think it may have something to do with sounds as threesixty has been telling us for the longest time. As far as the audio in the ff7 movies are concerned, it is 22050 Hz 8-bit uncompressed. I really don't know the mechanics of the extra sounds from the LGP's being played during the fmv's, so all I really can provide at the moment is some facts.

[uffe1909]

Tried Jari's bat files (guess i trust you, and of course first checked what they would do).
Got errors on clvsd.ax and claud.ax "Cant load into memory library... module not found"( translated from dutch so maybe not 100% accurate)
Tested it anyway, but no go: scene still freezes

[Threesixty]

His Extra's:
DMO MP4S Mpeg4s Decoder DMO Microsoft Corporation qasf.dll --> mp4sdmod.dll
DMO WMV Screen decoder DMO Microsoft Corporation qasf.dll --> wmsdmod.dll
DMO WMVideo Decoder DMO Microsoft Corporation qasf.dll --> wmvdmod.dll
DMO MP43 Mpeg43 Decoder DMO Microsoft Corporation qasf.dll --> mp43dmod.dll
DMO MPG4 Mpeg4 Decoder DMO Microsoft Corporation qasf.dll --> mpg4dmod.dll
DSH DirectVobSub (auto-loading version) Gabest vsfilter.dll
DSH DIVX DivX Decoder Filter DivXNetworks, Inc. divxdec.ax
DSH XVID XviD MPEG-4 Video Decoder xvid.ax
DSH Video Port Manager Microsoft Corporation quartz.dll
VFW I420 Intel 4:2:0 Video V2.50 Microsoft Corporation qcap.dll --> msh263.drv
VFW IYUV Intel IYUV-codec Microsoft Corporation qcap.dll --> iyuv_32.dll

audio:
ACM 0x0402 Indeo® audio software Intel Corporation quartz.dll --> iac25_32.ax
DMO 0x0160 WMAudio Decoder DMO Microsoft Corporation qasf.dll --> wmadmod.dll
DMO 0x000a WMSpeech Decoder DMO Microsoft Corporation qasf.dll --> wmspdmod.dll
DSH 0x2000 AC3Filter Copyright © 2002 by Vigovsky Alexander ac3filter.ax
DSH 0x0050 MPEG Audio Decoder Microsoft Corporation quartz.dll


My Extra's
DSH Indeo® video 5.04 Compression Filter Intel Corporation IR50_32.DLL
DSH ClearVideo® Decompression Filter Iterated Systems CLRAMD.AX
DSH VIVO Video Decoder Filter Vivo Software, Inc. VVVIDFLT.AX
VFW VDOM VDOnet VDOWave VDOnet LTD.. QCAP.DLL --> VDOWAVE.DRV
VFW DIVX DivX 5.0.5 Codec DivXNetworks, Inc. QCAP.DLL --> DIVX.DLL  
VFW YVU9 Intel Indeo® Video Raw R1.2 QCAP.DLL --> IYVU9_32.DLL
VFW I263 Intel I.263 Video Driver 2.55.016 Intel Corporation QCAP.DLL --> I263_32.DRV
 
audio:
ACM 0x1101 Lernout & Hauspie CODECs QUARTZ.DLL
ACM 0x1102 Lernout & Hauspie CODECs QUARTZ.DLL
ACM 0x1103 Lernout & Hauspie CODECs QUARTZ.DLL
ACM 0x1104 Lernout & Hauspie CODECs QUARTZ.DLL
ACM 0x0402 Indeo® audio software QUARTZ.DLL
ACM 0x0161 Windows Media Audio QUARTZ.DLL
ACM 0x0075 Voxware Audio CODECs QUARTZ.DLL
ACM 0x0074 Voxware Audio CODECs QUARTZ.DLL
ACM 0x0062 Voxware Audio CODECs QUARTZ.DLL
ACM 0x0069 Voxware Audio CODECs QUARTZ.DLL
ACM 0x0082 Microsoft RT24 Audio Codec QUARTZ.DLL
DSH 0x0050 MPEG Audio Decoder Microsoft Corporation QUARTZ.DLL
DSH Voxware MetaSound Audio Decoder Voxware, Inc. VOXMSDEC.AX
DSH Voxware MetaVoice Audio Decoder Voxware, Inc. VOXMVDEC.AX

If it is an Audio conflict, it narrows it down to 5....but 14 if it's a missing file.

.....I guess if we had more samples of the non-working ones, maybe there will be one that sticks out. But then, the more people, the harder it is going to be, to compair.

[J*** H*******]

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[uffe1909]

to prevent any flaming discussions:
Hubmle thanks to everybody who is trying to help me with this isssue.
Although this particular issue is solved for me by the save file provided by Threesixty; looking at other posts in the forum there seems to be some more problems ahead like the Biglight.avi which i would like to prevent.

[Rubicant]

I'm going to download a trial version of PowerDVD to see if I can make FF7 screw up at the cosmo canyon. I shall report my (terrible) results later.

[EDIT]

"Unfortunately", FF7 did not crash after installing PowerDVD 5.0 (trial). I checked to see if an audio codec was installed, and there was:

CyberLink Audio Decoder, CyberLink Corp.,   CLAUD_TRIAL.AX

Well, it's not the same exact audio codec..but it was worth a try. I'm starting to think that maybe audio codecs have nothing to do with the problem.

[Aaron]

Rubicant, are you sure that you want to get involved? Think about it, if uffe1909 doesn't remember to thank you, you might even get bitter. We wouldn't want that, would we?

We don't need to go around looking for trouble, now.  Seems to me that Rubicant can offer his help if he wants to.

[J*** H*******]

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[Jedimark]

Jari: You left the boards here a while ago and then came back to post... maybe Rubicant changed his mind just like you did.

Rubicant: It's definately not Power DVD. I have the full version installed and never experienced any problems at Cosmo Canyon.

Anyway, here are my codecs:

imaadp32.acm
msadp32.acm
msg711.acm
msgsm32.acm
tssoft32.acm
msg723.acm
DivX ;) Audio
Spiro Lab Telecom Audio Codec
Intel Music Coder
Fraunhoffer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec
Voxware Compression Toolkit
Lame ACM MP3 CODEC v3.95.1
DivX WMA Audio Compressor
Windows Media Audio
Indeo® Audio Software

Video:
3ivx D4 4.5
DivX ;-) MPEG-4 (Fast-Motion)
DivX ;-) MPEG-4 (Low-Motion)
DivX Pro CE 5.1.1
Huffyuv lossless codec
iccvid.dll
Indeo v.4.51.16.2 Interactive codec
Indeo® video 3.2 by Intel
Intel l.263 Video Driver 2.55.1.16
Intel Indeo 3.2
iyuv_32.dll
KMVIDC32.DLL
Ligos Indeo® XP Video 5.2
Microsoft Windows Media Video 9
msh261
msh263
MS-MPEG-4 MPEG-4 Video Codec
msrle32.dll
msvidc32.dll
msyuv.dll
On2 VP3 codec
On2 VP6 codec
tsbyuv.dll
XviD MPEG-4 Video Codec

Phew... got there in the end...

[uffe1909]

A question:
Should i be able to view the ff7.AVI files in the Windows media player?
Because whenever i try to open one of the avi files in the movie directory i only get a black screen in the mediaplayer ( this is for all the ff7 avi files, not only the boogstar.avi) The play indicater does move to the end and indicates it played 2 out of 2 seconds.

[Jedimark]

Yeah you definately should be able to watch the movies in Windows Media Player. I think you need the True Motion codec.

[uffe1909]

woudn't that be the:
DSH TM20 TrueMotion 2.0 Decompressor The Duck Corporation tm20dec.ax ?
Which is in my list of video codecs

[Jedimark]

Heh... oh... good point

[Rubicant]

Because whenever i try to open one of the avi files in the movie directory i only get a black screen in the mediaplayer ( this is for all the ff7 avi files, not only the boogstar.avi) The play indicater does move to the end and indicates it played 2 out of 2 seconds.

Threesixty, did you have this same problem when your ff7 was crashing in those scenes?