Author Topic: Aerith's Healing Wind looks weird, is that normal ? (Read 11758 times)

tomawashi · « **on:** 2004-07-02 22:02:48 »

Hi !
My question may sound dumb, but anyway... The 1st limit break of Aerith, "healing wind" doesn't look as in the Playstation version of the game on my PC. In the PSX version, a blue ball appears in front of her, but in the PC version there seems to be nothing.

Is that specific to the PC version or is there something wrong with my graphics card settings ?

Messiah99 · « **Reply #1 on:** 2004-07-03 03:01:22 »

Are you using a hardware or software render? I remember when I was using software, some things werent like they were supposed to be, i.e. any time the screen was supposed to tint red (speaking to Vincent in the basement, Cloud freaking at the Honeybee inn, etc) there was no red tint, but thats about the only thing I can remember ATM. If youre using software rendering, it may just not be loading that animantion. Thats all I can think of right now though.

EmperorSteele · « **Reply #2 on:** 2004-07-03 04:50:50 »

Yeah, i noticed Aeris never had that lil ball on the PC, either.. mebeb it's misisng entirly?

Darkdevil · « **Reply #3 on:** 2004-07-03 07:52:32 »

A quick check thru battle .lgp (which ISNT quick) should show if its there or not....However im going ot have to ask someone else to do this as im off into town now

tomawashi · « **Reply #4 on:** 2004-07-03 11:54:18 »

Thanks for your replies.

Actually I use the hardware renderer and I have a Geforce4Ti 4200. I'll try in software renderer to check if it appears.

I don't understand why the developpers would have wanted to take this ball off on purpose.
I'd like to check battle.lgp, but I don't know how to. Could somebody explain ?

halkun · « **Reply #5 on:** 2004-07-03 13:01:31 »

It might just be a bug where the alpha isn't calculated correctly.

tomawashi · « **Reply #6 on:** 2004-07-03 14:21:32 »

Well, I just tried in software mode, and it's the same.
I also tried to take back the original battle.lgp (I was using the modified one which replaces the Cloud model with the one from the end of the game) but still the same.

Goku7 · « **Reply #7 on:** 2004-07-04 01:06:48 »

Are you guys refering to that blue thing that swirls around Aeris and the rest of the party while they are being healed?

If so.......well, it comes up on my system, in hardware mode, and I think I remember seeing it in software Mode (it's been ages since I've been forced to play FF7pc in Software, so my memory's a little shakey on that...).

halkun · « **Reply #8 on:** 2004-07-04 01:15:02 »

No there is a transparent globe sized blue ball that she holds in her hands. I noticed it's missing too...

Goku7 · « **Reply #9 on:** 2004-07-04 01:31:02 »

Hmm....In that case, I don't think I remember seeing it.

Well, I hope the textures and model data for it are still in the files, somewhere...once you guys have figured out the battle animation data format, I'm sure it wouldn't take very long to fix the problem....

In short, this needs to go on somebody's "ist of Battle Model Data to Investigate".

tomawashi · « **Reply #10 on:** 2004-07-04 17:20:11 »

Here is a screenshot from the PSX version (it's run on epsxe) :

I took it a bit too late but you still can see the ball in front of Aerith.

Darkdevil · « **Reply #11 on:** 2004-07-04 17:29:40 »

WTF!

SOMEONE GET THAT BARRAT AS A BATTLE MODALÂ¬!Â¬!!!!
I will love yoou for ever and ever and ever and ever if you doooo

trickstar66 · « **Reply #12 on:** 2004-07-04 18:01:30 »

I have to admit, those graphics SUCK! I know it's pretty old but I swear, Twisted Metal 2 had better graphics!

Synergy Blades · « **Reply #13 on:** 2004-07-04 18:48:47 »

Cool, never seen that. Could this be what Leviathan calls "(bubble??)"? I don't know what the four-letter filename for it is, as I've only ever seen it when I was browsing with Leviathan. Screenshot below.

halkun · « **Reply #14 on:** 2004-07-04 18:51:52 »

Quote from: trickstar66

I have to admit, those graphics SUCK! I know it's pretty old but I swear, Twisted Metal 2 had better graphics!

Keep in mind, that screenshot is in 32 bit color and a higher resolution than the PC version.

Actually, those graphics were awesome for the time. The vertex shading is really pretty, and many pro-N64 people I knew swore up and down that the summons were FMV.

It was a nice way to proove all those PSX haters wrong. Thier strongest arguments were.

1) There were horrable load times
(Did you ever see a "loading" screen in FF7 other than loading a game?)

2) The graphics were all "pixely" and "blocky"
(I usally showed them one of the bahamut summons)

3) You can damage the disk easily
(I played from any disk, yea I know that's kind of cheating, but helped make the point that were were three disks)

The n64 was a toy, and nintendo has some really bad internal politics to gaming. I remember when the N64 wasn't doing so go and Next Gen had a cover with mario with broken glass motif with the title "Is there something wrong with nintendo?"

Man they got *HAMMERED* by fanboys in the next issue, but they were right.

Though I shoudn't be one to talk, nintendo owns the #1 most sold console system in the history in videogaming. It's holds almost near monopoly status that I don't think Sony's gonna break with thier next-gen product designed to go up against it. Even Sega tried and failed, and that had some of the best technology for it's time.

It's going to be an intresting christmas.

EmperorSteele · « **Reply #15 on:** 2004-07-04 23:36:40 »

Synergy: I don't think that's it... Aeris's hand thingie is a 2-d image of some sort, it apepars. Your bubble is not only 3d, but it'slisted as being in a location Aeris is incapable of being. This is important becasue the special effect data, i would think, would be somewhere in the character's own data.

Someone correct me if i'm wrong. But like, wouldn't barret's bullet blasts be a part of his info? (for example) instead of like, its own little file... So in that case, Aer'ss bubble would be a part of HER info, and not an independant mosnter file...

Perhaps the pc version is corrupt, or its a 8-bit image that only shows on onlder cards...? *shruggles*

Synergy Blades · « **Reply #16 on:** 2004-07-05 15:07:38 »

I know the location doesn't match, but I figured that location was a guess by mirex when he was writing the info for that particular 'monster'. I had also wondered like you whether the blue sphere thing might have been a part of her model data, like how all her weapons are stored under the same two first letters. But then again if it is 2D as you suggest it'll probably be a texture in a seperate archive, I remember using someone's tool to view all the textures such as the 2D bubble texture for water magic.

Contra · « **Reply #17 on:** 2004-07-05 15:26:54 »

Yannow, that bubble is probably the thing that Bottomswell uses on you in Junon. It acts like Reno's pyramid. And we know the Pyramids are enemy files...

Anyways, the bubble that aeris is holding looks like a 3D model to me, not the sides look like some sort of polygon, not like pixels. And the edges seem to be smooth, not zig-zagish like a pixel graphic would be. Also note the clipping on the hands. Anyways, this would be a model in magic.lgp if I'm not mistaken, I think all abilities models and textures are in magic.lgp.

-Contra-

tomawashi · « **Reply #18 on:** 2004-07-05 15:59:12 »

I did 2 more screenshots, maybe this will help :

The ball grows from nothing to a big ball...

Small :

And it gets bigger :

Now in the PC version :

Anyway, thanks for your suggestions

trickstar66 · « **Reply #19 on:** 2004-07-05 16:50:56 »

Quote from: halkun

Quote from: trickstar66
I have to admit, those graphics SUCK! I know it's pretty old but I swear, Twisted Metal 2 had better graphics!

Keep in mind, that screenshot is in 32 bit color and a higher resolution than the PC version.

Actually, those graphics were awesome for the time. The vertex shading is really pretty, and many pro-N64 people I knew swore up and down that the summons were FMV.

It was a nice way to prove all those PSX haters wrong. Thier strongest arguments were.

1) There were horrible load times
(Did you ever see a "loading" screen in FF7 other than loading a game?)

2) The graphics were all pixelated and anti-aliased
(I usally showed them one of the Bahamut summons)

3) You can damage the disk easily
(I know, but that's only if you get your slimy hands all over it you irresponsible shit-bag!)

The N64 was a toy, and Nintendo has some really bad internal politics to gaming. I remember when the N64 wasn't doing so good and Next Gen had a cover with Mario with broken glass motif with the title "Is there something wrong with Nintendo?"

Man they got *HAMMERED* by fanboys in the next issue, but they were right.

I shoudn't be one to talk though, Nintendo owns the #1 most sold console system in the history in videogaming. It's holds almost near monopoly status that I don't think Sony's going to break with thier next-gen product (PSP) designed to go up against it. Even Sega tried and failed, and they had some damn fine technology not to mention hot chicks at the gaming conventions.

It's going to be an intresting christmas.

Well I to be honest I don't have faith in Nintendo anymore since the whole N64 fiasco. Except for Gameboy and their up and coming Nintendo DS (dual screen), I think their products have gone down the crapper. After what started as a trading card company gone the way of video games during the times of Atari, I think this company's done. Sure it's featured cutting edge graphics every time a new system was released but now it's always replaced by something bigger and better and I think they've come to realize their defeat just over the horizon. It's golden years were during the advent of SNES and Gameboy. I think it was great that our beloved FF series was born on their NES but I think it's over now. I don't think Nintendo will be releasing anything else but toys from now on...

Interesting Christmas indeed... at least in Japan because PSP doesn't come out until early 2005.

Note: Qhimm would edit your posts like your mommy changing your diapers and now so will I everytime I quote you... :wicked:

Synergy Blades · « **Reply #20 on:** 2004-07-05 18:54:18 »

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Yannow, that bubble is probably the thing that Bottomswell uses on you in Junon. It acts like Reno's pyramid. And we know the Pyramids are enemy files...

It's not, Bottomswell uses a Waterpolo to trap you in a bubble. That's a different model to the bubble I posted, similar to it, but much larger and a slightly softer blue colour than the cyan of the unknown bubble. Also the Waterpolo has stats to it (so you can destroy it with one hit) whereas that other bubble doesn't have any known stats.

Darkdevil · « **Reply #21 on:** 2004-07-05 19:14:00 »

Halkun, Can you do a process breakdown of the limit breaks like you did with the bahamut summon?

halkun · « **Reply #22 on:** 2004-07-05 22:28:37 »

Trickstar, please don't put words in my mouth.... :(

And as far as the summons, I only had the small dump from the FF7 executable, which were comments. I can't dump anything else for now until I learn the battle scripting system.

Darkdevil · « **Reply #23 on:** 2004-07-06 08:25:06 »

I reckon once we get this cracked, we will learn a hell of a lot more about it.

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