Author Topic: Final fantasy 7 remake Canceled??WHATS WITH THAT??? (Read 30472 times)

Saraph · « **Reply #25 on:** 2005-09-01 10:00:13 »

A remake would be nice, I would like a graphical update to FFVII and FFVIII. Although, we should have the erase option too, as in, erase X-2 and (kill me) FFIX. What a waste of talent...

Capcom had the right idea with RE, so if the quality of a remake can be that, or *gasp* even higher, life would get .1% better.

Tiesto · « **Reply #26 on:** 2005-09-22 22:22:58 »

I read in a post some where on the forums that there may be a FFXIII for the PS3, but to my knowledge I heard they were stopping after 12??

Tain · « **Reply #27 on:** 2005-09-23 00:21:30 »

Tetsuya Nomura said in one of his interviews that he would very much like to remake FFVII, but after his current projects. Considering the amount of projects that are currently being worked on and the sheer time needed to complete the redesign, the remake will most likely begin production in 3-4 years. As for when it comes out, who knows. Possiby never.

Solis · « **Reply #28 on:** 2005-09-23 05:33:16 »

Quote from: Saraph

A remake would be nice, I would like a graphical update to FFVII and FFVIII. Although, we should have the erase option too, as in, erase X-2 and (kill me) FFIX. What a waste of talent...

I'd like to know what was so wrong with ff9? It's my personal second favourite O.o

djzerious · « **Reply #29 on:** 2005-09-23 05:50:29 »

Lots of people say that.. but just the same number say it sucked. I think it was the abrupt change from 7 and 8 into how 9 was.. just my opinion though..

Caddberry · « **Reply #30 on:** 2005-09-24 03:51:34 »

Quote from: Solis

Quote from: Saraph
A remake would be nice, I would like a graphical update to FFVII and FFVIII. Although, we should have the erase option too, as in, erase X-2 and (kill me) FFIX. What a waste of talent...

I'd like to know what was so wrong with ff9? It's my personal second favourite O.o

Quote from: djzerious

Lots of people say that.. but just the same number say it sucked. I think it was the abrupt change from 7 and 8 into how 9 was.. just my opinion though..

DJ is exactly right..

I hated 9.. I could relate to cloud, and I could also relate to Squall.. But I just couldn't relate nor care about the monkey boy..

I still played it.. I even beat it.. But.. After I played it through .. Ignoring most of the side quests.. I never touched it again. 9 just felt like a kiddie game.. And I didnt like that at all.. The characters looked like they were targeted at a young audience, and so did the scenery .. It just felt wrong to me..

djzerious · « **Reply #31 on:** 2005-09-24 08:54:25 »

Same here. That's how I felt. I still played it and bought it and everything... but... just couldn't find myself getting into it too greatly..

My friend on the other hand, who had played FF's before 7 and 8, loved 9. He said it went back to how things used to be in some senses, but he still felt that the game was targeted at a younger audience because of the way it looked.

MoldySpore · « **Reply #32 on:** 2005-09-24 09:22:26 »

Well seeing as this got off topic...

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748460/vid_1199771.html
^link to the E3 trailer (un-friggin-believable).

imagine if we got a remake of FF7 that looked like that?

But ill say this. If they are going to do a remake, they better do a COMPLETE remake. None of that crap they pulled with FF4/2 and Chrono Trigger (just add a few CG cut scenes). I want to see FF10+ quality FMV and map graphics integrated. No more HUGE polygons for cloud's legs and arms.

Mmmm...i drool just thinking about it. I'd pay any $ for a remake like that.

This is all kinda funny too, since I just re-ordered a copy of FF7. I used to have it on PC but over the years i've lost 2 of the 4 discs it uses on the PC verson

oh and btw, FF9 was a good game. Not the best, but it was good. Kinda made us old-school FF players feel a little sentimental.

All-time best FF games list:

1) Final Fantasy II/IV
2) Final Fantasy VII
3) Final Fantasy IX
4) Final Fantasy VI
5) Final Fantasy V (ironic?)

Squall was just a prick. And Tidus was a moron. They did not have the personality for the "world saving hero" type. Just stupid. And the storylines in FF8 and 10 just didn't gel with me. And a lot of other people. I'm surprised by the support i see for FF8 on here. Since for most people who like the FF series, FF8 is their least favorite out of all of them (including Mystic Quest LOL)

djzerious · « **Reply #33 on:** 2005-09-24 18:37:24 »

Quote from: MoldySpore

...oh and btw, FF9 was a good game. Not the best, but it was good. Kinda made us old-school FF players feel a little sentimental.
...

Hehe... see, that was my point exactly...

Caddberry · « **Reply #34 on:** 2005-09-24 22:22:54 »

MoldySpore - Watching that intro with those graphics sends chills through my body.. LoL I think that's weird.. But it seriously does..

I would be hard pressed.. not buying a next gen system if they released a remake of FF7 with those graphics.. .. I mean.. wow.. I've seen it before and it still sense chills down my spine..

ajrock2000 · « **Reply #35 on:** 2005-09-24 23:05:32 »

Quote from: Caddberry

MoldySpore - Watching that intro with those graphics sends chills through my body.. LoL I think that's weird.. But it seriously does..

I would be hard pressed.. not buying a next gen system if they released a remake of FF7 with those graphics.. .. I mean.. wow.. I've seen it before and it still sense chills down my spine..

Watching that intro left me in complete awe just thinking of how sweet a remake of FF7 would be. *keeps fingers crossed*

Solis · « **Reply #36 on:** 2005-09-25 18:41:53 »

Quote from: Caddberry

Quote from: djzerious
Lots of people say that.. but just the same number say it sucked. I think it was the abrupt change from 7 and 8 into how 9 was.. just my opinion though..

DJ is exactly right..

I hated 9.. I could relate to cloud, and I could also relate to Squall.. But I just couldn't relate nor care about the monkey boy..

I still played it.. I even beat it.. But.. After I played it through .. Ignoring most of the side quests.. I never touched it again. 9 just felt like a kiddie game.. And I didnt like that at all.. The characters looked like they were targeted at a young audience, and so did the scenery .. It just felt wrong to me..

(minor spoilers for FF9/5/7 may follow, I tried to be as vague as possible though)

I dunno, I kind of liked the exaggerated style. though I'll admit I HATED Quina and Amarant. Ugh, tacked -on characters.

And as for the whole "relating to the characters" thing, I could relate to them, and that actually kind of made me like the games a little less. Well, Cloud anyway. Squall just made me want to hit him on several occasions. (I did NOT like that character, but that's another issue.) I'm a depressive person and yeah, it was kind of interesting to relate to cloud, but I don't play RPGs to play as myself, I play RPGs to well... role-play

Mind you, ff7 is still at the top, just because it finally broke the whole formulaicness of RPGs and decided to

a) have an incredibly flawed main character
b) kill off someone for emotional effect and story (FF5 did that too, but that wasn't really released here, plus honestly there wasn't much of a difference pre/post Galuf at least IMO)
c) play a lot of mind games with the gamer

(and Sephy is just cool, too)

FF9 had the more unrealistic style and some really memorable characters, because it delved into the same "coming to terms with reality" kind of dealie that FF7 did... plus I felt that even if it seemed a little more "childish" it had a lot of hidden depth in the characters, especially Vivi, Freya, Zidane and to a lesser extent Garnet/Dagger.

Just my take though.

My top 5:

i) Final Fantasy 7
ii) Final Fantasy 9
iii) Final Fantasy 5 (I love the job system, I really do)
iv) Final fantasy Tactics
v) Final Fantasy 6 (I know this is higher up on most people's lists, but I just couldn't get into it)

8 is somewhere down the bottom... but that's a whole nother rant

Arsop · « **Reply #37 on:** 2005-09-25 19:21:10 »

Imo FF8 has real nice plot, but I think the game is too realistic

Just didn't hit on me. And the magic system is just stupid

7 is the best, and 6 comes after that.

djzerious · « **Reply #38 on:** 2005-09-25 23:21:56 »

8 sits okay with me. Not the best, not the worst. It has parts that I like, and parts that I don't. All in all, I guess you could say on my scale, 8 is dead center between good and bad, i.e., average.

Lieron · « **Reply #39 on:** 2005-09-26 05:18:12 »

meh i rank it from 7, 8, 2, X...with 9 and 11 at the negatives

djzerious · « **Reply #40 on:** 2005-09-26 05:29:42 »

I bought 11... I've yet to play it.... have never had the money........ :/

Cyberman · « **Reply #41 on:** 2005-09-28 03:23:01 »

If you are speculating about an FF7 remake here is a reference (page down to halkun's contribution) from a different section of the forums to give an idea of the fact Square considered it however ultimately they didn't have the money.

Any such undertaking has large expenses. The biggest cost would be redoing all the content as I am certain the original data is LONG gone and is pretty much useless in any case.

Cyb

MoldySpore · « **Reply #42 on:** 2005-09-30 02:39:34 »

Quote from: Cyberman

If you are speculating about an FF7 remake here is a reference (page down to halkun's contribution) from a different section of the forums to give an idea of the fact Square considered it however ultimately they didn't have the money.

Any such undertaking has large expenses. The biggest cost would be redoing all the content as I am certain the original data is LONG gone and is pretty much useless in any case.

Cyb

True. But, at the same time, ALL of the production costs would be poured into updating code, transferring it to the new platform, and making CG sequences and upgrading the 3D models. There would be none of the part that makes the process so long: thinking it up in the first place. The plot, characters, twists and turns, and everything about the game including design are done. So they have a step up. I cant see the game costing anymore to make than a new game from scratch. in fact, i'd be willing to bet it would cost less in the end than a lot of people think.

Lieron · « **Reply #43 on:** 2005-09-30 05:11:28 »

well its basically creating a game form scratch, but bypassing the story and idea creation. .so it should be cheaper to make technically..

hay · « **Reply #44 on:** 2005-10-08 12:58:04 »

mmmhmmm I love those instant activation mails...

anyway... how about this fellows?
http://ds.ign.com/articles/656/656107p1.html

if they're making ff3 in 3D for DS so that will lead to conclusion that we will see remake of ff7.

Cyberman · « **Reply #45 on:** 2005-10-10 01:52:13 »

There is something all of you need to consider and consider carefully. You are speculating, and you really don't know the industry well enough to speculate.

You should look at the cost of developing for a platform, it's a heck of a lot cheaper to develope for the DS than the PS2 for example (it's a 4:1 ratio). The Xbox is about 9:1.. so think carefully how much it costs to develope for a platform. Most of the time spent is not what you think, the PS2 platform is very specialized and also difficult to develope for. You can't just PORT something with 2 snaps of your fingers LOL.

If the overall game system is similiar in there implementation of (why the heck would they port FF3 or do you mean FFVI? FF3 never left Japan FF3 in the US and Europe was FF6 in Japan). The only changes they need to make are the graphics system, and because of the port to the Playstation for FF6 this means they have the core engine already rewritten, the dialogue doesn't need too much work the only real addition is battle control (IE 3d scenes to match the 2d versions and add 3d models for the characters) the combat system would be the same likely (turn based like FF7). They would need to rewrite the field engine and create field map and models. Field scenes would need to be done, still this is mostly just content creation. It seems there would be a LOT less programing involved, plus the costs would be a HECK of a lot cheaper. Doesn't seem like a bad business proposition to redo the 2nd most popular of the series for the DS

Cyb

hay · « **Reply #46 on:** 2005-10-11 21:17:04 »

yeah, that's true but profit from ff7 would be a lot bigger :]

teH2SO4 · « **Reply #47 on:** 2005-10-22 20:34:12 »

Interesting to see how the slightest hint gets the FFVII fan community into a huge hype again

Throughout all my years of online research of Final Fantasies online, it seems that FFVII fans will always be ready to accept the slightest possibility of a remake

Anyhow, what really is the crux of the matter here? I've been considering the evidence given by the fanbase, the technical difficulties involved, and the actual profitability of a remake...It seems to me that the conditions seem to be pointing in favour of a remake. Why? Well, according to the fanbase, it seems that many people wouldn't mind paying a decent price for the game, so surely, in terms of finance, Square-Enix wouldn't be any worse off for making the game?

Hmm, at first I tried addressing this issue by myself, but either because I'm tired or because my brain is fried from studying, I can't seem to formulate my own answer as of now...so maybe, you guys can help me out a bit by addressing these points?

1) What would Square-Enix get out of a remake, and is this enough for them to want to make one?
2) Would the game really be well-appreciated by the gaming community, considering current trends in the type of games appreciated by the average gamer?
3) Tying in with point 2, is the FFVII fanbase large enough to provide a substantial market?

Obviously it'd be DAMN nice for Square-Enix to go and make a remake, I mean, the mere fact of nostalgia would set many FFVII (or whatever other FF's they decide to remake) fans crying

However the point remains, as a company that has to consider it's financial issues, would Square-Enix just somma make a remake just to please fans?

Oh, and a bit off topic, but did any of you read about the "empirical evidence" provided by some fans that Aeris died as a result of "rushed development"? Furthermore, do you think, should there be a remake, that she should be made to come back in the game in about disc 3, something along the lines of "...similar to Sephiroth, I floated around the lifestream, gathering knowledge. When I finally understood what my purpose was, I knew I couldn't return to the lifestream yet, so I came back..." Wouldn't that be cool

But I agree with Solis, he's totally right, FFVII was a very complex and innovative game in terms of characters. For once you had the hero-type character (cloud) who was actually a real failure and SCARED (after the temple of ancients on disc one when he doesn't wanna face sephiroth and poops his pants). Then you had Aeris, a main character, dying, and never coming back...And yes, Sephiroth IS cool

(Especially in FFVII:AC)

So would it detract from the value of the game should Aeris be resurrected? Heh...what do you guys think.