Author Topic: Curiosity... did it kill the cat, or is the cat just faking (Read 18253 times)

MMiller8 · « **on:** 2001-11-24 01:50:00 »

There are a couple of things that i'm pondering now as I sit on my little rock, prodding my head and chanting "think... think... think...". Will it hurt my computer to be on for about 7 days straight? Because it has been. And moreover; bunnies. What's up with them? These are the little things that plague my mind. Speaking of plague, I learned today that the bubonic one was started by pests. I learned it from As Told By Ginger, a nickelodeon cartoon. Imagine! Is shocked me quite a bit; it was almost like the shock that I would get is someone told me that Germany was involved with WWII. Anyway, i'm hungry now, and as Cole Richards would say, 'If you're hungry during thanksgiving, the terrorists have already won." I gotta go get some pie. And turn off my computer, bless him. :laugh:<---not laughing. There wasn't a smiley for "talking too %$^# much, so I had to go with what I had. It's a mad, mad, mad, mad world!

J* H***** · « **Reply #1 on:** 2001-11-24 02:16:00 »

Message!

eerrrr · « **Reply #2 on:** 2001-11-24 14:24:00 »

Wow, a year? I thought something in the PC would've overheated and melted or something if you left it running for a month. Hmm, the longest I've ever had my PC on for was nearly 24 hours.

ficedula · « **Reply #3 on:** 2001-11-24 14:58:00 »

Why should it? If the computer runs at a reasonable temperature normally, there's no reason it shouldn't carry on doing so. Server's are only computers, after all, and they (try) to stay up permanently.

Jari's also right in that turning a PC on/off constantly causes more damage to the components than leaving it on. Obviously it depends - leaving it on all year is worse than having it on once or twice a month - but if you're going to use your computer within a few hours, you're better leaving it on than powering it down then back up again later.

Essentially its (partly) due to thermal expansion damage; certain PC components (CPU especially, but others too) run *very* hot internally, and it damages them to be constantly heating up, cooling down, heating up... a constant temperature is safer so long as it isn't a HIGH constant temp! It's like with light bulbs: they almost always go when you turn them on.

J* H***** · « **Reply #4 on:** 2001-11-24 15:02:00 »

Message!

Darkness · « **Reply #5 on:** 2001-11-24 19:14:00 »

my computer is on 24/7 (minus crashes, of course) ive never fried anything in the computer.

dagsverre · « **Reply #6 on:** 2001-11-24 22:33:00 »

Mandatory comment: Oh, and if you are running any products by Microsoft you might experience a certain unstableness after some time and have to reboot anyway...

(The hardware should be ok though).

ficedula · « **Reply #7 on:** 2001-11-24 23:51:00 »

Mandatory comment: Oh, and if you are trying to run any Linux products, you may experience a certain mental unstableness after some time and have to give up for a while in frustration...

Sephiroth 3D · « **Reply #8 on:** 2001-11-25 11:20:00 »

Mandatory comment: Oh, and... What was I going to say?

My system gets up with me in the morning and runs until sleep pulls me to my bed. Unless I'm downloading big things, which it will run 'till morning, then I'll shut it off for about a hour or so...

I shut my system down to keep the memory clean. Actually, my system is pretty damn stable considering I'm on a Celeron 300A overclocked to 450 running Win2k with 256megs of RAM. I've only had a the BSOD 3 or 4 times, and that was within a week of each other when I was seeing if my old hardware would work in 2k.

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Jedimark · « **Reply #9 on:** 2001-11-25 12:08:00 »

When I was on Works Experience at out local newpaper company the computer I was working on had not been shut down in 3 months!

MMiller8 · « **Reply #10 on:** 2001-11-25 16:05:00 »

Linux shall be stable until you try to run a program on it.

Aaron · « **Reply #11 on:** 2001-11-25 21:32:00 »

I almost NEVER have any stability problems on any of my computers (all currently running Windows 98). I just have all the Windows Updates (http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/) (I dunno if they help with stability?) and this nifty program called "MaxMem" which makes sure that you don't run out of RAM (most often, when your comp is on, all your RAM is used up and it spills over into your swap file, slowing things down -- this only happens because Windows doesn't always free up your RAM when its not in use). My computer has been on and in use for days at a time with no crash.

Joey · « **Reply #12 on:** 2001-11-26 02:20:00 »

That day, That day
What a mess what a marvel
I walked into that cloud again
And I lost myself
And I'm sad, sad, sad
Small, alone, scared
Craving purity
A fragile mind and a gentle spirit

my computer crashes.

You guys make me jealous!!!

Sukaeto · « **Reply #13 on:** 2001-11-26 03:30:00 »

My computer is very stable. Especially now, with my new EPoX motherboard. I rarely ever get any crashes (well, Soldier of Fortune has been crashing lately, but I think that's because Win2K got messed up when I installed my new mobo, and all I did was re-install it instead of doing a fresh install. This problem SHOULD go away as soon as I get my new hard drive, and am forced to start over.)

Aaron · « **Reply #14 on:** 2001-11-26 21:57:00 »

Oh yeah... my computer (Win 98) almost ALWAYS crashes at shut down on the screen "Please wait while your computer shuts down..." or whatever it says. Dunno why, but it doesn't seem to do any harm, except it doesn't automatically turn off. I've seen other comps to this too..... annoying.

Sukaeto · « **Reply #15 on:** 2001-11-28 02:27:00 »

There is a patch to fix that shutdown problem (if you have Win98 Second Edition)

Sometimes it just makes things worse, though.

Aaron · « **Reply #16 on:** 2001-11-28 03:15:00 »

Yeah i have the patch.

Sometimes, it shuts down right... sometimes not. Dunno, think its my board. Maybe I should update the BIOS...?

Darkness · « **Reply #17 on:** 2001-11-28 03:57:00 »

where would i find this patch?

Goku7 · « **Reply #18 on:** 2001-11-28 04:51:00 »

Try this:

From the run dialog box, type "msconfig". A new box should appear with different windows options and stuff. If there's a box that says something like "enable fast shutdown", disable it. The fast shutdown option makes windows literally pull the rug out from other programs when it shuts down, whether they're ready or not, causing crashes.

Hope that works.

Sephiroth 3D · « **Reply #19 on:** 2001-11-28 06:05:00 »

Wow... Really? Cool... I guess you really DO learn something new every day...

Sephiroth 3D

"I don't understand..." "You don't have to understand." - Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within

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Aaron · « **Reply #20 on:** 2001-11-28 19:19:00 »

Darkness: I believe the patch to fix the shutdown is available at Windows Update (windowsupdate.microsoft.com)

I'll try disabling Fast Shutdown. I got the newest BIOS image for my board (claims to fix hang problems with a SoundBlaster PCI card... which is what I have) but haven't updated it yet.

I wish they'd update my BIOS so that the Windows XP installer didn't crash at "Installing Network"

E-mailed them about this.

Darkness · « **Reply #21 on:** 2001-11-28 21:29:00 »

alright. sounds good. ill try it all.

Goku7 · « **Reply #22 on:** 2001-11-29 01:41:00 »

Whoa!

I just looked through options given by the "msconfig" command (by the way, the "Fast Shutdown" option should appear when you click the "advanced..." button), and I saw something that may be of interest to you programmers and power users. There's an option to limit how of the system's RAM that windows can use. Now, I don't know if that means it limits how much RAM the kernel itself uses or if the limit applies to ALL the programs running under windows.

I found this out when I did the right-click "what's this" thingie on the option.

-edit-

Oh yeah -- One more important warning:
The "Enable Pentium F0 (Lock CmpXchg) workaround" option will (amazingly) cause a BSOD when you tried to play a MIDI file using XG hardware, and maybe the SoftSynth.

Strange, isn't it?
[edited] 239 2001-11-29 02:46

Darkness · « **Reply #23 on:** 2001-11-29 03:04:00 »

well big surprise, everything in windows causes the BSOD

Aaron · « **Reply #24 on:** 2001-11-29 03:05:00 »

Am I blind? I can't seem to find the fast shutdown enable/disable option.

http://www.vanguard.org/students/wpd2/KelleyAaron/!stuff/2001_11_28_msconfig.jpg

Author Topic: Curiosity... did it kill the cat, or is the cat just faking (Read 18253 times)

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