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FINAL FANTASY XIV (14) !!!
« on: 2009-06-02 19:40:55 »
I just cannot believe what SE announced at Sony's E3 conference...

Final Fantasy 14 coming out in 2010!!

They showed a trailer of it with English texts, and apparantly Online will be a core component of it (PS3 exclusive)
IMO the game feels more like FF3 (DS) meets Last-Remnant or something.

But DAMN, are SE not rushing this with FF13 still to be officially released?
the new FF13 trailer they showed had decent English voicovers and a lot of new scenes. But it didn't really make me go "wow, I want to play it now"

I really hope SE know what they are doing, because I just dont know what to think  :?

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« Reply #1 on: 2009-06-02 19:56:37 »
I really hope SE know what they are doing

I wish I had your optimism  :-P

Anyway, it certainly looks nice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fETeHFATJw8

but MMO? Not sure if want...  :|

BTW, I wonder what this will do for the FF7 remake rumours?  :lol:

Not that we need a remake... :-D
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« Reply #2 on: 2009-06-02 20:19:52 »
I hope this isnt yet another symptom of Graphics over substance, money over art.

I am not liking the enix merge AT ALL.  If 13 is crap I think I will be done getting excited with the series.

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« Reply #3 on: 2009-06-02 20:41:29 »
I hope this isnt yet another symptom of Graphics over substance, money over art.

I am not liking the enix merge AT ALL.  If 13 is crap I think I will be done getting excited with the series.

Oh, how I wish I could scold you for being cynical and nostalgic. But I can't.  :oops:

There definitely seems to have been a tendency for Squeenix to chase after the mass market at the expense of its traditional audience. It's as if they're saying "hey, why are we limiting our market by making games that only fans of the genre will buy? Let's dilute the RPG element and make it more generic!". Unfortunately, this idea doesn't work very well when lots of other companies have the same idea, and all the big fishes in small ponds become plankton in the great ocean.

I predict that in 10 years time, all games will be FPS. Not really, but the genre distinctions seem much weaker this generation. I do hope that I'm being foolish and looking back to the past with rose-tinted glasses. Fortunately, I'm talking out of my a*se, so that's likely.  :-D

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« Reply #4 on: 2009-06-02 20:44:58 »
Well I agree.  I have seen it creeping in.  I don't think developers sit back and ask WHY pong is still playable and addictive 20+ years later....  It had nothing to do with graohics.  It is just a sprite flying across the screen.

But that is my point....they seem to be sacrificing brains for graphic whore.  They are substituting plot, gameplay, intelligent design in favour of super high res models and graphics.

Graphics can make a game look good but it cannot MAKE a game.  Enix seems to me, to be a money mad company not interested in the least with what they are churning out.  I will reserve judgement for 13, as 12 and x-2 could have been blips.

A direct analogy imho is Matrix series....the first had a lower budget but was intelligent, the others had loads of graphics but were SHIT.
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« Reply #5 on: 2009-06-02 20:57:31 »
I hope X-2 (which I didn't think was that bad  :wink:) and XII were blips. To be fair, Crisis Core and Dissidia have been playable.

And I think that there might be an emphasis on graphics because it's easier to sell games to graphics whores than it is to embittered veterans (like me  :-P). It's understandable; they're trying to run a business, but still annoying.

And let's not forget that someone who buys a game and never touches it again after he finishes it pays the same as someone who buys it and still plays it years later.

Dammit, I hate being the old man saying "In my day!"  :-P

Anyway, who knows? XIII and XIV might be good...

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« Reply #6 on: 2009-06-02 21:07:01 »
Crises-Core and Dissidia (and FFX-2) were the not true JRPG's that is the staple hallmark of what Final Fantasy games represent.
The fact that we enjoy them (or consider them as "good" games) makes no difference to the future of the primary series.

The entire perception and foundations of the video-games industry has changed over the past few years, and it isn't just a case of whoring over graphical quality (although that is a major factor).
If you watched EA's, Nintendo's or Sony's E3 conferences, you would have seen precisely what the "next big thing" is: motion-controllers aimed at non-game-players.
It is slightly coincidental that MrAdults just mentioned to me his views on why the industry is leading towards crapper games, something along the lines of consumerisation and indie-degredation (I will allow him to post his views if he wishes, not my opinions to share  :wink:)

But there is no doubt that SE have lost their focus a little (although again I must stress that it is a general trend within the industry as a whole, where "great" games are now few and far. MGS still stands as the one of the greatest un-tainted series to me, although Seifer may have other opinions on the topic :-P)

I liked SquareSoft, but I dont like SquareEnix. FF1-10 >>> FF11-14
FF13 may be an exception, but we will have to wait and see just how it compares to the pre FFX-2 titles.

Maybe they have a new thing going on here: MMO (11), innovative-game (12), plot-focused (13), back to MMO (14), rinse-and-repeat
But I agree, we do not need another Final Fantasy MMO, but SE (like the greedy pigs that they are) would like nothing more than screwing their own fans out of their hard-earned savings.


A remake of FF7 is always a possibility, no matter how much they themselves deny it. But more than likely, they will continue making spin-offs and bleed us all dry of our money, just to keep us wishing for a remake that will never come.


FF14 I will never play (I dont play MMO's even free ones, I just cannot spare the time)
IMO FF13 will be better than FF12 for sure, although the level of "crapness" will vary from person to person.

We shall have to see (and prepare for the worst, rather than the other way around as it aught to be)  :-(

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« Reply #7 on: 2009-06-02 21:09:50 »
The laughable thing is, had they just not bothered with dirge of cerberus and the rest and just concentrated on an ff7 remake, they would have got everyones attention.

They are content with all these spin offs when nearly every ff fan I have met has said "remake ff7"  as a priority.

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« Reply #8 on: 2009-06-02 21:13:36 »
Actually, from Sony's executive wording, FF14 seems like a timed exclusive.  He said something along the lines of "you'll only be able to play it on ps3 when it launches in 2010".  That screams timed exclusive to me.

Given that they have the tools to make it cross platform, it doesn't make much sense to restrict an MMO to a certain platform.  I wouldn't be surpirsed to see this one put up on PC (and maybe even 360) soon enough.

As a sidenote, I'm surprised they didn't show or mention FF versus 13 since that is an exclusive they DO have.

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« Reply #9 on: 2009-06-02 21:19:53 »
I agree about MGS; I think it's the only big franchise that has stayed true to the core gameplay that the fans love. And the movies that some of us still love  :roll:

Crises-Core and Dissidia (and FFX-2) were the not true JRPG's that is the staple hallmark of what Final Fantasy games represent.
The fact that we enjoy them (or consider them as "good" games) makes no difference to the future of the primary series.

Which is worrying...

The entire perception and foundations of the video-games industry has changed over the past few years, and it isn't just a case of whoring over graphical quality (although that is a major factor).
If you watched EA's, Nintendo's or Sony's E3 conferences, you would have seen precisely what the "next big thing" is: motion-controllers aimed at non-game-players.

Hmmm, I wonder whether that will last. Well, the Wii has done so well that it probably will. In that case, I wonder whether the divide between "hardcore games for hardcore gamers like myself" and "lol casual" will deepen...

I liked SquareSoft, but I dont like SquareEnix. FF1-10 >>> FF11-14

I think you'll find a lot of people who agree with you there. And I wonder whether Squeenix's recent trends will lead to FF7 ceasing to become the bête noire of the really old FF fans as the divide in the series stops being 2D vs 3D (or Nintendo vs PlayStation, or cult vs popular) and becomes something more like menu-driven battle vs real-time? (Which is a bigger change in my book, since it's a fundamental change to the gameplay)

FF14 I will never play (I dont play MMO's even free ones, I just cannot spare the time)

I have the time, but unfortunately, I don't play well with others  :-D

We shall have to see (and prepare for the worst, rather than the other way around as it aught to be)  :-(

Don't worry, I started doing that a long time ago.
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« Reply #10 on: 2009-06-03 21:38:25 »
I'm not especially fond of the idea of a new FF MMO. On the other hand, it seems to me that the production method they're using here is "keep our main talent/team on the core FF titles, establish a new team to work on the MMO titles in parallel". So this means that it isn't really hurting the series in the end, nor is it detracting from the main line of FF titles, so it could just be seen at worst as the picke you didn't order that you can just take off the burger and throw away. :)

If it's anything like FFXI, though, I won't even be considering it. That game was the most unforgiving and brutal MMO I've ever played, and I even played UO for a while. Sitting around for hours waiting for people to assemble a party, not being able to play with your friends because it was impossible to stay in the same level range for a decent amount of time, being able to completely level down on death rather than just capping at 0 exp for your current level. So sadistic. Perhaps Japanese people on the whole like their MMO's with a little pinch of sadism (as that is Square-Enix's primary user base, and they surely do their demographic research), but it's not for me. Which sucks too, because I would really love to be able to actually have fun playing a MMO set in the FF universe.

I think you'll find a lot of people who agree with you there. And I wonder whether Squeenix's recent trends will lead to FF7 ceasing to become the bête noire of the really old FF fans as the divide in the series stops being 2D vs 3D (or Nintendo vs PlayStation, or cult vs popular) and becomes something more like menu-driven battle vs real-time? (Which is a bigger change in my book, since it's a fundamental change to the gameplay)
Based on what I've seen of FF13, it still actually looks quite menu-driven and not particularly real-time (seems to wait on your commands as well). But having not actually played it, I couldn't really figure this out. I'm sure koral would be able to provide more insight, having actually played the demo.

The entire perception and foundations of the video-games industry has changed over the past few years, and it isn't just a case of whoring over graphical quality (although that is a major factor).
If you watched EA's, Nintendo's or Sony's E3 conferences, you would have seen precisely what the "next big thing" is: motion-controllers aimed at non-game-players.
It is slightly coincidental that MrAdults just mentioned to me his views on why the industry is leading towards crapper games, something along the lines of consumerisation and indie-degredation (I will allow him to post his views if he wishes, not my opinions to share  :wink:)
Well, since you mentioned it. :) http://www.richwhitehouse.com/index.php?postid=40
But be warned, it's a very long read. To summarize my standpoint there, I have kind of accepted the consumer-driven, commercial nature of the videogame industry. The industry is driven by capitalist systems and ideals, and I don't think that's a bad thing overall. I don't want to open up a "socialism vs. capitalism" argument here, because that is an insane topic with way too many facets to dispute in a thread like this. :) But having accepted "that's the way things are, I can't change it" (regarding the nature of consumer demand driving a commercial industry), I'm directly asking the question "what can be done in this climate and social structure to improve the quality of videogames?", and attempting to answer it in a way that makes good logical sense - better mainstream videogame criticism to guide the will of the common consumer (if you're of the opinion that reviews don't dictate a massive percentage of consumer videogame purchases, I must suggest you do your research :)). That is way over-simplifying the topic and the proposed solution, but that's the gyst of the article.

But there is no doubt that SE have lost their focus a little (although again I must stress that it is a general trend within the industry as a whole, where "great" games are now few and far. MGS still stands as the one of the greatest un-tainted series to me, although Seifer may have other opinions on the topic :-P)
MGS4 was actually my favorite entry in the series so far. I'm not completely crazy about the gameplay, but that's a matter of opinion. You can't argue against the refined and solidified (no pun intended) nature of the mechanics they do have in there. And as a whole cinematic game experience, it does what it sets out to do with perfection. As to what happens with the series from here, I'm not really sure what's going on. I know Kojima had stated it would be the last MGS title he'd be involved in, yet that no longer seems to be the case. I suspect whatever is going on now has more financial motivation for him personally, which could mark a degredation in motivation and quality for him and the team. But I'm speculating there 100%, there's no reason to start making such assumptions.

I liked SquareSoft, but I dont like SquareEnix. FF1-10 >>> FF11-14
FF13 may be an exception, but we will have to wait and see just how it compares to the pre FFX-2 titles.

Maybe they have a new thing going on here: MMO (11), innovative-game (12), plot-focused (13), back to MMO (14), rinse-and-repeat
But I agree, we do not need another Final Fantasy MMO, but SE (like the greedy pigs that they are) would like nothing more than screwing their own fans out of their hard-earned savings.
I did find FF12 to be extremely solidified as well. Again, it's a matter of opinion with whether you personally enjoy what's presented there - but of the mechanics available, trying to look at them in a critical and unbiased sense, I can find little fault. I think we should always try to make that abstraction between "what do I want to be playing and doing here?" and "what did the developer set out to do, and how well did they succeed here?". At least, as developers, this forced separation between personal preference and well-meshed/implemented mechanics allows us to design better games. :)

As for SE raping us all with their swine husks, I suppose there's always an element of that in business, but it somewhat goes back to the article I wrote. Consumer demand drives their actions, so while we in this particular group of FF fans have not dictated the need for a new MMO (nor do any of us seem to want one - though I personally wouldn't mind, if it's not a steaming pile of sadistic hatred like FFXI), it can be guaranteed that players and fans on the whole have done just that. Numbers from FFXI's success are surely a driving factor in the decision to make a new FF MMO.

In the end, I don't hold out any hope that FF13 (or especially 14) will be the best game for me. But I do hold out hope that SE will continue to do what it sets out to do with the same attention to detail and near-perfect mechanical implementation they have always managed to achieve. In fact, in that aspect, I would say each FF has only continued to improve over the years. Direction has changed radically, as have story, driving gameplay mechanics, characters, art styles, and many other things. The things which dictate our personal preferences, whether we like the games based on who we are and what we want as individuals. But the quality of implementation of each new direction in each game, in my opinion, has not changed - at least not for worse. Which is why I continue to respect the talent shown by the designers at SE. :)

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« Reply #11 on: 2009-06-05 21:54:38 »
I wonder if 13 or 14 will have a Cait Sith-esque character that we can edit out. Because you know that Square isn't good enough to make a game by themselves. No no.

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« Reply #12 on: 2009-06-08 05:33:30 »
I wonder if 13 or 14 will have a Cait Sith-esque character

 :-D  Let's hope not.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

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« Reply #13 on: 2009-06-08 05:40:56 »
That was a shot at your stupidity fuckhead.  :-D  :-D   :-D  :-D   :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D

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« Reply #14 on: 2009-06-08 05:53:56 »
That was a shot at your stupidity f***head.  :-D  :-D   :-D  :-D   :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D



 :lol:  Go and buy a cait teddy to cuddle up to (console your intolerant fanboy nature).   You poor thing, how will you survive without him  :? :-o

 :-D


 :cry:  cait....how I loved thee

 :-P
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« Reply #15 on: 2009-06-08 07:20:16 »
Sup /b....oh wait, this is qhimm. From the poor trolling I thought I was on another site... :roll:

That was a shot at your stupidity f***head.  :-D  :-D   :-D  :-D   :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D



Now, if we can get back to the topic at hand...
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« Reply #16 on: 2009-06-08 17:44:04 »
I think 14 will be pretty cool. And I'm excited for 13.

Online though.... Idk, I hope it turns out better than 11 did.

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« Reply #17 on: 2009-06-14 10:43:03 »
lol, funny pic  :lol:

Apparantly there is a release date on FF-14: 26 May 2010
Yet the date for the Euro/International version of FF13 remains unformirmed. Weird  :?

Looks like we wont get English-13 until after 14. The first time the series will break from ordered releases.


I seriously cannot wait for more news and infor on Versus-13. I cant believe E3 mentioned nothing about it :-(
That is one game I desperatly want to see ASAP.
FF-13 (and 14 too) can wait.

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« Reply #18 on: 2009-06-20 01:07:09 »
last time i checked they canned versus 13 in favor of giving 13 to everyone and saving them some effortfor almost double the profit....

13 on 360 = 13 on ps3 with more discs for the same amount of game

versus may or may not be intergrated into 13 cause that would just be awsome but only time will tell but seeing as they are set in the same time period on the same wolrd more likely then not

thats my 2cents

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« Reply #19 on: 2009-06-20 15:59:34 »
last time i checked they canned versus 13 in favor of giving 13 to everyone and saving them some effortfor almost double the profit....

13 on 360 = 13 on ps3 with more discs for the same amount of game

versus may or may not be intergrated into 13 cause that would just be awsome but only time will tell but seeing as they are set in the same time period on the same wolrd more likely then not

thats my 2cents

Do you have a source for that or did you just make it up? At what point did they "can" Versus 13?

Last I heard it looked amazing and was being released exclusively for the PS3 shortly after 13 itself. Source - everywhere that says a lick about Versus 13. Try ffinsider.net.

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« Reply #20 on: 2009-06-20 21:22:24 »
I haven't heard that before either Zack.

AFAIK, FF13 on 360 will have more disks, but will not be getting Versus-13 (PS3 exclusive).

Versus-13 is by far the more anticipated of the Final Fantasy 13's, and I do not need any sources to tell me that.
The fact that the Kingdom Hearts team is developing it with the Advent Children and DOC team should be explanatory enough.
This game will be truly epic.

Have you seen the original 8 minute trailer of Versus-13?

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« Reply #21 on: 2009-06-20 22:57:00 »
I'm really looking forward to Versus 13, it looks awesome from what I've seen.

Did they release new footage at this years E3 or was it a no-show?

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« Reply #22 on: 2009-06-20 23:42:02 »
Yeah, I haven't heard that either - could just be a rumor based on the reduced Versus 13 coverage. And I wonder why the PS3 exclusivity only on Versus. I haven't actually been following it in any detail, nor have I really been following 13, though. I like FF releases to kind of sneak up on me. :)

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« Reply #23 on: 2009-06-21 00:05:58 »
13 itself was originally PS3 exclusive, it was only around November last year SE decided it was multi platform, but they kept Versus PS3 exclusive. I don't know why.

Perhaps a deal was made with Sony? You know - "Yeah, we'll let you release Final Fantasy 13 on a rival platform as long as the other one remains exclusive" or something. (This is obviously pure speculation on my part). Or perhaps Versus 13 is so different it would be much more difficult to port? Who knows.

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« Reply #24 on: 2009-06-21 15:00:24 »
The deal wasn't made with Sony, but with Microsoft.
Both FF13 and Versus13 were originally intended for PS3, but remember that the entire purpose of the new "White Engine" (as it was called) was to allow Final Fantasy games to be multi-platform, so I dont believe FF13 was ever an "exclusive" to begin with, regardless to what they may have claimed.

Versus-13 is probably based on the Kingdom-Hearts/Crises-Core/DoC tech, coming from a PS2 foundation, so was destined for PS3 exclusivity. Maybe the foundations for a new PS3 Kingdom Hearts sometime after the completion of V13.

Sadly it was a no-show at E3, so were SquareEnix actually, probably because of the swine-flu scare.
They had some staff over with the 360 FF13 demo footage and the new PS3 demo featuring summons (and the FF14 trailer), as far as I can remember.

MrAdults, I also like Final Fantasy's to sneak up on me, but when I have waited 3+ years to even hear their footsteps behind me, I kindof get bored waiting and begin looking for them myself.  :wink:

They have said that a lot of neat features and ideas which were intended for FF12 but never made it in the final, like tactical airship battles the most intriguing, may find their way into FF13.
Versus13 and FF14 began had began production before FF13 (due to additional time required on FF13's new Engine development), immedietly after FF12

There is so much more that we dont know about the development of these recent Final Fantasy's, but all this awkwardness can only be attributed to SquareEnix and their money-hungry ways...

But no matter, as long as they give me an EPIC Final Fantasy (not just a GOOD one) then I wont complain how long they take.  :-D