Greatest game of all time. And the winner is.........

[Bluegrass79]

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[Psychotic Ninja]

The Legend Zelda: Ocarina of Time

[obesebear]

The Legend Zelda: Ocarina of Time

As it should be.  As a story FFVII wins.  But I'll never forget the first time I picked up Ocarina of Time.  The exploration was perfect, all the items were amazing, and my sense of wonderment was through the roof.  FFVII was just a little too deep for me on my 1st play through.

Rock on Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, hopefully one day you will get the 2D remake you deserve.

[DLPB_]

The only reason Zelda gets number 1 over FF7 is because of Nintendo fanboys.

The fact is, FF7 is much longer, has superior graphics, superior story, superior musical score, superior gameplay.,

FF7 beats Ocarina on all fronts.

[Kudistos Megistos]

The only reason Zelda gets number 1 over FF7 is because of Nintendo fanboys.

The cynical part of me thinks that a lot of hardcore old-school RPG fanboys will vote for it just to stop FF7 from winning (cue hatred)

But I must agree with you on the other points; I've never really got into any of the Zelda games. They're certainly not bad, but they haven't been able to capture my attention like the better FF games have done. And I'm not even going to mention that owl 

[DLPB_]

If people looked at it objectionally they cannot deny:

1.  FF7 music is more talented, and is more sophisticated and reveered
2.  FF7 graphics are better and are much more, this is an undisputable fact
3.  FF7 story is longer and better, again an undisputable fact
4.  FF7 gameplay is longer, side quests etc etc and again an undisputable fact


So quite how these people score it is beyond me?  Are they scoring it on how long Link's ears are or something?

I take it all with a pinch of salt, I know which is the better game.  I dont need some poxy fanboy infested site to tell me.  I remember IGN or gamepsot or one of them telling me that MArio 1 ranks above FF7.  Now if you are going to compare them fairly, this is clearlya  nonsense, yet people seem to think because Mario was deeply revolutionary it somehow trumps everything.

They forget the question "which is greatest"  not "which is more revolutionary" .  And a STORY transcends all media anyway.

[Jari]

I take it all with a pinch of salt, I know which is the better game.  I dont need some poxy fanboy infested site to tell me.

Just curious; do you own a mirror?

[Otokoshi]

Instead of getting all hot and bothered, look at it this way.  With the numerous excellent games in the poll and the thousands of votes, FF7 still came in second.  That's not bad considering this poll means absolutely nothing.  This is just another meaningless "Top 7 Hottest Girls in Games" -esque stories gamefaqs, gamespot, or gamesradar runs all the time.  All the indisputable facts mentioned are not facts at all, or necessarily a good thing.  So FF7 was longer, what if I like short games?  Portal and Call of Duty 4 had very short campaigns, but I still enjoyed them greatly.  And if better graphics = better game, then we're all screwed.  I personally thought Crysis was a piece of shat, and just a glorified tech demo.  The story was boring and the suit added nothing to the gameplay that a console cheat could have.  The fact is people are not looking at this objectionably, and that's okay because you prefer one game to another.  All of your points are your opinions and you're entitled to them, and they should be the only ones that matter.  Not some game site trying to up it's hit count with some lame poll.

[Grimmy]

FFVII rarely gets top honors in these type of polls, but the most noticeable thing is that while all the names change around it FFVII is always on the list. It would be impossible for FFVII to win all those polls, However always making the list says that it is better than games that only make one list.

[DLPB_]

I take it all with a pinch of salt, I know which is the better game.  I dont need some poxy fanboy infested site to tell me.

Just curious; do you own a mirror?

If I was a fanboy I wouldnt be highly critical of the series since the enix merger, nor would I see faults in FF7 and seek to correct them.  An FF7 fanboy is someone who sees no problem with the game and actually tries to stop people criticising it.  I have criticised FF7 translation and certain aspects of the storyline.  I have also criticised some of its graphics but that is understandable given the budget at the time.  I don't see FF7 as a perfect game, but I do see it as the greatest.  I am far from a fanboy.  Sadly you are a wind up and not a very good one.

If one looks at it objectionally, there can be no doubt that FF 7,8,9 and 10 are all better than ocarina of time, and so is MGS1 and 2.  In fact there are many games better than it, but they don't get a sniff simply because they werent made on Nintendo or have voters which have a real bee in their bonnet about Sony and certain series.

One could argue that they dislike RPG's and that is the only valid argument I can see as to why someone would vote against FF7.  For the record, Ocarina is one of my favourite games, so is Mario 64

and I agree with Grimmy.  FF7 always make a top list so who cares

[yoshi314]

If one looks at it objectionally, there can be no doubt that FF 7,8,9 and 10 are all better than ocarina of time, and so is MGS1 and 2.

there is no way to look at that objectionally.

comparing different classes of games made for different systems is apples-to-oranges type of comparison. it's impossible to be fair, and everybody has his own biased opinion.

[DLPB_]

If one looks at it objectionally, there can be no doubt that FF 7,8,9 and 10 are all better than ocarina of time, and so is MGS1 and 2.

there is no way to look at that objectionally.

comparing different classes of games made for different systems is apples-to-oranges type of comparison. it's impossible to be fair, and everybody has his own biased opinion.

I disagree.  You can judge a game based on many things:

Graphics, in which case FF7 has to win since that is a fact and a demonstratable scientific fact at that.

You can judge a game base don music,  and although this is open to more speculation, it isn't impossible to judge melody and compare it.  The same way you can say Mozart was a genius and it is widely accepted.

You can judge a game based on side quests and you can count that number and again FF7 comes out on top.

You can judge a game based on how long it is and again FF7 comes out on top.

You can jusge a game based on storyline and length and again FF7 comes out on top.

These aren't opinions for the most part, they are documentable, observable facts.

If somebody doesn't like an RPG that is a personal taste but it doesn't take away those facts.  There is no bias in something which is observable.   To disagree with the above is to simply throw out the facts because they don't suit you.

Now, if we were to compare FF7 to FF 10, THEN that would be VERY VERY hard to judge one way or the other.  It wouldn't be clear cut and would be rife with bias.

[yoshi314]

Graphics, in which case FF7 has to win since that is a fact and a demonstratable scientific fact at that.

that would depend on the capabilities of the hardware game is running on. i personally find ff9 and vagrant story much superior, as far as visuals are concerned on psx, for example.

i don't see any "demonstratable scientific evidence" to ff7 superiority over all other games.

comparing games across consoles, just like you said with ff7-ff10, is difficult. personally i find it almost impossible.

[Jari]

I take it all with a pinch of salt, I know which is the better game.  I dont need some poxy fanboy infested site to tell me.

Just curious; do you own a mirror?

If I was a fanboy I wouldnt be highly critical of the series since the enix merger, nor would I see faults in FF7 and seek to correct them.  An FF7 fanboy is someone who sees no problem with the game and actually tries to stop people criticising it.  I have criticised FF7 translation and certain aspects of the storyline.  I have also criticised some of its graphics but that is understandable given the budget at the time.  I don't see FF7 as a perfect game, but I do see it as the greatest.  I am far from a fanboy.  Sadly you are a wind up and not a very good one.

And here I thought that someone claiming his opinions as demonstratable scientific facts and undisputable facts, and calling basically everyone whose views differ from his fanboys, would be one himself. Silly me.

Funny how you take everything very personally, too. Kinda bad trait for someone so arrogant as yourself. As for winding you up; trust me, if I wanted you gone, you wouldn't be here anymore. I have no such wish; it's much more fun watching you dig yourself deeper - because that's the thing you are really good at.

Graphics, in which case FF7 has to win since that is a fact and a demonstratable scientific fact at that.

O RLY? Please, do demonstrate this science.

You can judge a game base don music,  and although this is open to more speculation, it isn't impossible to judge melody and compare it.  The same way you can say Mozart was a genius and it is widely accepted.

Widely accepted - you said it yourself. So, why are you bawwwwwwing if more people seem to prefer Zelda?

You can judge a game based on side quests and you can count that number and again FF7 comes out on top.

Because more is better, right? Doesn't really matter if they are any good...

You can judge a game based on how long it is and again FF7 comes out on top.

There was this rather ancient game - its name escapes me right now, on Amiga and Atari ST that basically could generate an near infinite number of new levels. Thus, it's nearing perfection in that sense, right? Seriously, since when has longer game equaled better game?

You can jusge a game based on storyline and length and again FF7 comes out on top.

What is it with the length?

These aren't opinions for the most part, they are documentable, observable facts.

Then you probably should present some proof - I mean, you do have it, since these are documentable, observable facts, AMIRITE?

To disagree with the above is to simply throw out the facts because they don't suit you.

Indeed. *snicker* Indeed.

[DLPB_]

Graphics, in which case FF7 has to win since that is a fact and a demonstratable scientific fact at that.

that would depend on the capabilities of the hardware game is running on. i personally find ff9 and vagrant story much superior, as far as visuals are concerned on psx, for example.

i don't see any "demonstratable scientific evidence" to ff7 superiority over all other games.

comparing games across consoles, just like you said with ff7-ff10, is difficult. personally i find it almost impossible.

I didnt say all other games.  Obviously FF8,9 and all the others have better graphics than 7.  I was simply comparing 1 aspect of FF7 with ocarina of time.  In a discussion about greatest games, it shouldn't be permitted to bring in discussion about hardware capability.  Otherwise we get silliness like Mario 3 being up for best graphics.

I was comparing FF7 with Ocarina.

[The Seer of Shadows]

Forgive me, but if it were a fact that Final Fantasy Seven is generally better than The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, then there would be very few arguments about it.

Unfortunately, we live in a world where more opinions exist than facts.  You cannot argue that FF7 is a longer game than Ocarina, or at least, not in terms of play time, because someone on his first play through both games may have finished FF7 with less time on the clock than Ocarina (and it was probably the owl's fault ).

You can't argue that FF7 has more enjoyable sidequests.  I actually had no fun at all going to the Gold Saucer and playing games and breeding chocobos and stuff.  And training for Emerald and Ruby Weapon... that got pretty boring after a while.  Granted, it doesn't involve as much frustration as striking every cubic meter of Hyrule Field with the Megaton Hammer to find that last Gold Skulltula, but there were some sidequests in The Legend of Zelda that would have provided much better entertainment for some people.

I actually thought that Ocarina's graphics were superior to the original Final Fantasy VII's... As for music, I much prefered FF7's style, though I found it inferior to Ocarina's musical quality.  It sounded less digital.

Storyline is a very difficult thing to argue.  Especially for me, being someone who cares more about the characters.  I could go into Ocarina's advantages over FF7 with characters, but Ganondorf makes that hard for me... especially when he is up against Sephiroth.  But let's face it.  The storylines of the two games have nearly nothing in common, so people are bound to develop likings to one over the other, and not everyone will prefer FF7.

As for gameplay, FF7 is turn-based.  You need more strategy than skill.  Zelda is exactly the opposite.  Again, this causes opinions to differ greatly, depending on one's tastes.

Sorry to ramble on.  Just stating (through that biased-towards-FF7 speech of mine) that everything you could possibly argue for one game over the other will be completely opinionated.  And I suppose you could say that that, in itself, is an opinion.

But for many reasons I have not stated in this post, I must say that FF7 dwarfs Ocarina of Time any day of the week.  Of course, that's just my opinion (don't these opinions just drive you crazy? ).

[DLPB_]

I will don't think half of them are opinions at all...as for the length of VII, the guy who finished it so fast was obviously speed running through with a guide by sounds of it.

When one has finished FF7 and levelled up and beaten everything there is to beat, if he hasn't played for 70-100 hours on first run through then there is something wrong

(also note that PSX version of FF7 timer is out.  1 min 12 seconds is 1 FF7 minute.  At least, it is in pal version of the game.  I havent tested NTSC or PC).

On sidequests I compared with numerical data.  You have the opinion whether you liked the sidequests or not but FF7 has more of them, some involving story.  The graphics of VII were better because there are far more screens.  There are far more varied pictures.  There are FMV's.  Zelda can't compare to that and yes, its hardware was worse.

Anyway I don't play most games for purely gameplay anyway, I do so for story and on that there really is no argument.    But in any case, I don't think any of us will be changing opinions any time soon so its pretty much a useless debate.  I do know that I have spent 10 times longer playing FF7 than I have playing Ocarina.

I love both games, so what does it matter  

[obesebear]

When I first saw this thread I thought nothing would come of it.. but wow.

Somehow it has become filled with lulz.

Seifer, I give your trolling a 2/10. 


There's no way such rabid fanboyism exists    ....    ...right?   I mean shit, I like the game just fine, FF7 is easily one of my top favorites... but c'mon...

[guitar_dudester91]

Ok, great spot to jump in. obesebear, thank you.  I support your "fanboy" comment greatly!

Seifer, while I disagree and hate almost everything you are, I agree with you here almost one hundred percent. Nintendo shouldn't get top honors because they are nintendo. No way in hell. I played ocarina, and never finished it. Mosly because my opinion isn't that you should run around for fuckng ever trying to find a little bullshit piece to solve a puzzle, when you can just slice your way to the top. But that's just me. You have successfully compared FF7 to the other listed games, and have come out on top. good job.

FF7 100 hundred percent.

[DLPB_]

Ok, great spot to jump in. obesebear, thank you.   I support your "fanboy" comment greatly!

Seifer, while I disagree and hate almost everything you are, I agree with you here almost one hundred percent. Nintendo shouldn't get top honors because they are nintendo. No way in hell. I played ocarina, and never finished it. Mosly because my opinion isn't that you should run around for f***ng ever trying to find a little bullsh*t piece to solve a puzzle, when you can just slice your way to the top. But that's just me. You have successfully compared FF7 to the other listed games, and have come out on top. good job.

FF7 100 hundred percent.

Well I can agree with you there.  If a game using cheap dynamics to crank up the timer in side quests then I don't like that.  In any case, I think FF7 is a longer game and dcertainly the story is which is what I prefer over all other criteria.  A lot more work went in to making FF7 and it shows.  I will never ever understand how 2 games like Ocarina and FF7 can be compared and then FF7 losing unless  aperson doesn't liek RPG's which is fair enough.  But personal taste shouldn't be an excuse for throwing away observation and taking STORY/MUSIC/GRAPHICS into account when comparing.  If games were based on the man power, budget and time taken to make the game, FF7 would probably be at the top but hey, as I said:  who really cares?  They are both great games and I am more concerned with how much of a disaster XII was and worrying about XIII......

[Jari]

If games were based on the man power, budget and time taken to make the game, FF7 would probably be at the top but hey, as I said:  who really cares?

[DLPB_]

I am not gonna debate politics after this post Zarnik, but the east is awash with an awful religious ideology stuck in the 6th century.  The west isn't perfect but I would rather ne here than in a country where women are treated like dogs and are stoned to death.   Most of tjhose countries like Iran/Iraq/NK are basically dictatorships and the only reason they don't do more harm than the west in terms of pollution etc is because they don't have the technology or manpower.

And I agree with your comparison of FF7, I think when you compare them fairly, there is only 1 winner.

[The Seer of Shadows]

They are both great games and I am more concerned with how much of a disaster XII was and worrying about XIII......

!!!
Do not... speak ill... of FFXII!  Though I must admit, I'm also worrying about XIII here.

About personal taste and how it shouldn't be used as an excuse to throw away everything else.  I would disagree.  If I thought that FFVII was amazing in every way, but didn't enjoy playing it because the way it works doesn't suit my taste... no way would I cast my vote for FFVII.  The game at the top of the list should be the one that people enjoyed playing the most, and personal taste is going to have a greater impact on that than anything else.

And for the record, FFVII > FFX (referring to something you posted some time back).  You're right though; I think that because I'm biased.

[Kudistos Megistos]

*All the silly stuff
-Hojo on the beach, raped by bodybuilders...gold saucer. I know it's not a super serious movie or book. But I would prefer the game without all this. They could have replaced gold saucer and all that with something else.

Oh come on, that's one of the things that makes the game great 

The most beloved games usually don't take themselves seriously 100% of the time. Having some funny/happy moments allows the player to bond with the characters better and feel more affection to them. FFVII does serious and silly, and does them equally well.

And if I may wade into the East vs West debate...

I can see why one might lump the Western European nations and their former colonies together under the term "West", since they share so much in common, but there's no validity to treating the non-Western countries as a single group. The only thing they have in common is that they are not part of the West; I don't see how anyone can lump together countries as different as Russia, Japan and Saudi Arabia.

[guitar_dudester91]

Zarnik = Al Qaeda terrorist leader. Oh you could compare him to barret.