Big Mysteries of FF7 & More

[drfeelgud88]

Based on her picture in her Final Fantasy Wiki article, she's is quite attractive (by video game standards).  She could do better than Hojo, definitely.

Someone should've told Sephiroth in the game that he is not the son of a powerful alien... actually, he's the son of a whore who slept with everybody

I think he'd go mad once again. He would be like "I'd rather be a monster than to think that my mother's been the wrong... Well, mother this whole time!" 

[The Seer of Shadows]

He doesn't know that Hojo is his father either, and he hates Hojo.  Poor thing...

Here are a few questions: After the party defeats Safer Sephiroth, how do they all end up at the ledge at the top of that big green pit thing leading to the Planet's Core?  How did the rest of the party get to the area where everyone fought Bizarro Sephiroth?  Why did Sephiroth remove his shirt for his final mental confrontation with Cloud?

[Bosola]

Speaking of Sephiroth... WHY did Lucrecia sleep with Hojo?? huh

I suspect there's a clue in the name. Lucrece/ Lucretia was a demi-fictional* Roman noblewoman, raped by the power-mad tyrant Sextus Tarquinus. Feeling ashamed and desperately wishing to avoid birthing the child, she killed herself. Make the connections to Lucrecia as you will.


* It's complicated.

[Murak Modder]

What about how Vincent got his new clothes?

Hojo shot him and experimented on him when he was still dressed like a turk, many years later, and suddenly he has a pseudo vampire outfit on!

I doubt Hojo would splurge on a decent looking outfit, so where did vincent get it?

[Timu Sumisu]

Why did Sephiroth remove his shirt for his final mental confrontation with Cloud?

well that fight is in Cloud's mind, so one can assume that cloud tends to think of Sephiroth topless

[drfeelgud88]

well that fight is in Cloud's mind, so one can assume that cloud tends to think of Sephiroth topless

Hmm, then perhaps that raises some questions on Cloud's thoughts exactly. 

[The Seer of Shadows]

Or MAYBE, Sephiroth is using his Jenova powers to make Cloud think of him as topless, and Cloud is just sitting there going "MAKE IT STOP!!"

[Garland_Ilferet]

that prove why people made a lot yaoi of Cloud and Sephiroth 

[drfeelgud88]

Or MAYBE, Sephiroth is using his Jenova powers to make Cloud think of him as topless, and Cloud is just sitting there going "MAKE IT STOP!!"

Ha! I like that assumption. Better than saying that Cloud's not really all that into women. 

[titeguy3]

What about how Vincent got his new clothes?

Hojo shot him and experimented on him when he was still dressed like a turk, many years later, and suddenly he has a pseudo vampire outfit on!

I doubt Hojo would splurge on a decent looking outfit, so where did vincent get it?

I just assumed vincent's getup was just his turk outfit + blood soaked sheets.
That's pretty badass, he's wearing sheets colored with his own blood.

[drfeelgud88]

That's pretty badass, he's wearing sheets colored with his own blood.

But what about that yellow glove thing he wears that looks like a claw? Or is it an actual claw? 

[The Seer of Shadows]

I'm pretty sure it's an ordinary (maybe ordinary isn't the word, but you get what I mean) gauntlet.

Here's a question... maybe this is explained in one of the FF7 games I haven't played but... WHY is there a coffin in the Shinra Mansion's basement?

[Garland_Ilferet]

I'm pretty sure it's an ordinary (maybe ordinary isn't the word, but you get what I mean) gauntlet.

Here's a question... maybe this is explained in one of the FF7 games I haven't played but... WHY is there a coffin in the Shinra Mansion's basement?

Not "a coffin", but coffins... there's more than one..

According to Crisis Core, the coffins are for putting hojo's experiments..
If Zack opens those coffins, some experiment monsters will come out..

And of course, Vincent is inside one of those coffins

[The Seer of Shadows]

Hojo's a creepy man O_O Then again, we always knew that.

[Garland_Ilferet]

I always believed that Hojo is the core of all problem in FF7

[drfeelgud88]

It's always a mad scientist to do the fare bidding in just about any novel, legend, or game. 

[The Seer of Shadows]

Of course he is, he's the original sin of FF7.  That's what makes him worthy of the last boss before the party goes to the crater to stop Sephiroth.  It's like taking out the Warring Triad before facing Kekfa, as they were the original problem in FF6 history.

[Kudistos Megistos]

I don't think there's any original sin in FF7. Unlike in a lot of other games, where there is one bad guy who is definitely behind all of the other bad things, FF7 has quite a few baddies who work semi-separately. Hojo is certainly behind the problems that relate to some of the characters (Cloud, Sephiroth, Aeris and Red XIII), but Shinra in general is still pretty evil. Assuming that they would still have taken over the whole world without Hojo's SOLDIER research (I think they would have; it would just have taken longer), they'd still be draining the planet of Mako energy, making them the biggest baddies in the wider scheme of things, and they still would have been responsible for all of the bad things that lead to the creation of AVALANCHE (unless I'm missing something that is revealed in Before Crisis). The bad things that happened to Barret, for example, don't have any special connection to Hojo.

There's also Jenova and Sephiroth. Jenova has a lot of "Original Sin" qualities (moar like "Original Crisis" amirite? ); she did kill all of the ancients, after all. Jenova had the biggest impact of any baddie on the world of FF7. Hojo used her, but one might say that she used him as well. Sephiroth is, of course, thanks to Hojo, but also thanks to Jenova, and he has enough freedom (from Hojo, but not necessarily from Jenova), for one to say that Hojo is not really the core of the Sephiroth problem. After all, Sephiroth's actions weren't controlled by Hojo, and he did the opposite of what he was intended to do. If Hojo had said "just as planned" when Sephiroth went crazy, we might be able to say that he was the core of the problems in FF7. But he didn't. So there.

[The Seer of Shadows]

It's easy to overlook her, as she isn't directly involved in the game, really.  I mean, she is, but... she's dead.  Hojo serves as the sort of "original sin" for the events of the FFVII game, as far as Cloud and Sephiroth go.  But for the FF7 history and universe... yeah, I guess it would really be Jenova.

So yeah, Jenova did have the most overall impact on the FF7 world.  I guess second to her would be Shinra for the influence they had over the world, and for the employment of Hojo, who would rank third on the list.

[drfeelgud88]

Yeah. True. If Jenova wouldn't have landed at the crater, then Hojo and Gast would never have researched the history of Ancients (Cetra) and then the Jenova Project wouldn't have never begun. But yeah, either way, Shinra was the leading power either way, unless AVALANCHE would build their army and stand up and defeat Shinra.

[The Seer of Shadows]

My friend, 20 more posts and you'll have no life
EDIT: My friend, 25 more posts and you'll have no life

In the end, Shinra was rendered quite insignificant with Sephiroth's Meteor.  Sephiroth was basically trying to repeat what Jenova did, only bigger and badder, and with a few added twists, and the aim of the game is to stop it.  Humans won't survive the second time D=