Author Topic: More animation to sephiroth (Read 14355 times)

Furzball · « **on:** 2010-05-25 23:32:03 »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h__ck4g-XKk

Remember how in the ending how sephiroth seems to be floating. Well apparently something was cut out of the final battle.

obesebear · « **Reply #1 on:** 2010-05-26 01:59:04 »

Well, that's animation 10 and 11. IIRC NFITC1 made a program that controls the camera in battles, all you would have to do is change it to zoom out

nfitc1 · « **Reply #2 on:** 2010-05-26 02:33:45 »

What happened was that the camera for that "attack" was changed. Likely to NULL. The camera changes things like fade-ins and fade-outs. If the camera data was NULL then the camera wouldn't fade out and we see all the animation.

Furzball · « **Reply #3 on:** 2010-05-26 05:33:03 »

Interesting. I know it's small but I think it's good to add to some of the mods that are adding in the missing scenes from FF7 that I know I have heard about, just don't remember names of the projects this late.

nikfrozty · « **Reply #4 on:** 2010-05-26 06:17:52 »

Quote from: furzball on 2010-05-25 23:32:03

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h__ck4g-XKk

Remember how in the ending how sephiroth seems to be floating. Well apparently something was cut out of the final battle.

He floats?? Never noticed it and I've been playing this game over and over again. Interesting, so if he has the animation that he's floating, maybe someone will make a final battle Sephiroth with one black wing to match with his floating.

Furzball · « **Reply #5 on:** 2010-05-26 07:53:17 »

Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-26 06:17:52

Quote from: furzball on 2010-05-25 23:32:03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h__ck4g-XKk

Remember how in the ending how sephiroth seems to be floating. Well apparently something was cut out of the final battle.
He floats?? Never noticed it and I've been playing this game over and over again. Interesting, so if he has the animation that he's floating, maybe someone will make a final battle Sephiroth with one black wing to match with his floating.

I don't think it's flight like that. If I remember it correctly it was supposed all be in Cloud's head. So basically Sephiroth floating means Sephiroth's hold on Cloud was drifting.

nikfrozty · « **Reply #6 on:** 2010-05-26 08:06:02 »

Quote from: furzball on 2010-05-26 07:53:17

Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-26 06:17:52
Quote from: furzball on 2010-05-25 23:32:03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h__ck4g-XKk

Remember how in the ending how sephiroth seems to be floating. Well apparently something was cut out of the final battle.
He floats?? Never noticed it and I've been playing this game over and over again. Interesting, so if he has the animation that he's floating, maybe someone will make a final battle Sephiroth with one black wing to match with his floating.

I don't think it's flight like that. If I remember it correctly it was supposed all be in Cloud's head. So basically Sephiroth floating means Sephiroth's hold on Cloud was drifting.

Hmm. Can you explain it more specifically?? I'm confused with what you're saying.

nfitc1 · « **Reply #7 on:** 2010-05-26 13:00:49 »

Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-26 08:06:02

Quote from: furzball on 2010-05-26 07:53:17
Quote from: nikfrozty on 2010-05-26 06:17:52
Quote from: furzball on 2010-05-25 23:32:03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h__ck4g-XKk

Remember how in the ending how sephiroth seems to be floating. Well apparently something was cut out of the final battle.
He floats?? Never noticed it and I've been playing this game over and over again. Interesting, so if he has the animation that he's floating, maybe someone will make a final battle Sephiroth with one black wing to match with his floating.

I don't think it's flight like that. If I remember it correctly it was supposed all be in Cloud's head. So basically Sephiroth floating means Sephiroth's hold on Cloud was drifting.
Hmm. Can you explain it more specifically?? I'm confused with what you're saying.

*SPOILERS*
We know from the end of Disc 1 and the North Crater sequence that Sephiroth's will has some control over Cloud. This happened because Cloud had JENOVA cells in him and Sephiroth, born of those cells, used them to manipulate those that were injected with them. Sephiroth made Cloud hand him the Black Materia and almost made Cloud kill Aeris too.
After the battle with Safer Sephiroth Cloud goes nuts and sees himself soaring through that tunnel with Sephiroth at the end of it. Once Cloud reaches him they "battle" and Cloud is supposed to win. Then Sephiroth vanishes and Cloud imagines that he sees Aeris's hand come out of the lifestream. When he reaches for it he sees that it's Tifa's and he's still in North Crater where he was before going to Sephiroth. That is supposed to indicate that Cloud imagined that battle and he was really fighting Sephiroth's control over him. (It's all allegorical. Japan is in to that kind of stuff.) So what furzball is saying is that Sephiroth's image floating away from Cloud after that battle would be symbolic of his control losing its grip on Cloud.
*END SPOILERS*

nikfrozty · « **Reply #8 on:** 2010-05-26 13:06:19 »

Oh so that's it. Hmm is this present in the other versions of FF7 or the bonus disc??

Gemini · « **Reply #9 on:** 2010-05-26 14:04:11 »

But doesn't Sephiroth lose grip over Cloud's mind and body when Tifa travels with Cloud in the Lifestream and fixes him for good? From what I can tell, that Sephiroth from the last battle is what was left of him in the Lifestream and Cloud actually fells in the pit when Sephiroth tries to manipulate him for the very last time. That battle and the movie right before remind me way too much of what Tifa does for Cloud, so we could say that Cloud travels in the Lifestream and reaches Sephiroth's mind (not his own), where he finally kills him once and for all and Sephiroth returns to the Lifestream for good (you can even see that in the ending when he merges with the rest of the stream). The fact that Cloud is not standing in his original position during the ending movie should point out that he *did* fell.

nikfrozty · « **Reply #10 on:** 2010-05-26 14:14:01 »

Quote from: Gemini on 2010-05-26 14:04:11

But doesn't Sephiroth lose grip over Cloud's mind and body when Tifa travels with Cloud in the Lifestream and fixes him for good? From what I can tell, that Sephiroth from the last battle is what was left of him in the Lifestream and Cloud actually fells in the pit when Sephiroth tries to manipulate him for the very last time. That battle and the movie right before remind me way too much of what Tifa does for Cloud, so we could say that Cloud travels in the Lifestream and reaches Sephiroth's mind (not his own), where he finally kills him once and for all and Sephiroth returns to the Lifestream for good (you can even see that in the ending when he merges with the rest of the stream). The fact that Cloud is not standing in his original position during the ending movie should point out that he *did* fell.

Hmm I think Sephiroth doesn't really lose control of Cloud's mind and body because when Tifa traveled with Cloud in the Lifestream. Cloud just remembered what truly happened that he isn't his friend Zack. But even after he remembered the truth the jenova cells was still in his body so I think I agree with Cloud fighting Sephiroth in Cloud's mind. But the thing I'm not sure is if it's Cloud's mind.

nfitc1 · « **Reply #11 on:** 2010-05-26 14:49:12 »

Quote from: Gemini on 2010-05-26 14:04:11

But doesn't Sephiroth lose grip over Cloud's mind and body when Tifa travels with Cloud in the Lifestream and fixes him for good? From what I can tell, that Sephiroth from the last battle is what was left of him in the Lifestream and Cloud actually fells in the pit when Sephiroth tries to manipulate him for the very last time. That battle and the movie right before remind me way too much of what Tifa does for Cloud, so we could say that Cloud travels in the Lifestream and reaches Sephiroth's mind (not his own), where he finally kills him once and for all and Sephiroth returns to the Lifestream for good (you can even see that in the ending when he merges with the rest of the stream). The fact that Cloud is not standing in his original position during the ending movie should point out that he *did* fell.

Not quite. Cloud falls because the ground beneath him was collapsing. That's why Tifa was reaching out to him in the first place. He was still standing on the ground where he "left".

Gemini · « **Reply #12 on:** 2010-05-26 14:59:01 »

Huh? I'm pretty sure he was standing in a completely different spot of the room, and yet he's right in the middle of the pit when Sephiroth is really dead. A simple fall of the ground wouldn't really make him get that far. Also think of the position that Cloud has when he's reaching Sephiroth through those "tunnels". He does look like he's diving into something that is a liquid, which probably is Lifestream in reality.

obesebear · « **Reply #13 on:** 2010-05-26 16:10:18 »

I think it is more of a symbolic battle in Cloud's mind. Why he has to travel through tunnels? I have no idea. But to be able to kill him in one hit seems to make more sense being a battle within Cloud. I would think if he were still truly fighting any part of Sephiroth, it would have been made into a tough boss fight. But who knows.

Gemini · « **Reply #14 on:** 2010-05-26 16:24:12 »

According to the official novel "The Maiden Who Travels the Planet":

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But only Cloud knew about his retreat. Having been exposed to Jenova's cells, there were traces of Sephiroth's conscious in him - Part of his conscious resonated with it. Cloud could feel the existence of his remnant somewhere inside the Lifestream, continuing to obstruct Holy even now.

Letting only his conscious enter the Sea of Mako, Cloud went in pursuit of him. Riding through the currents, his old enemy was waiting for him. Sephiroth's soul was not yet destroyed and was still a threat to the Planet.

So yeah, that was not in Cloud's mind at all. :p

DLPB_ · « **Reply #15 on:** 2010-05-26 16:34:41 »

Personally I thought this was one of the things that was wrong with VII. It should have ended with a physical battle with Sephiroth. Nothing more was needed and the rest made it confusing and opened a can of worms.

nfitc1 · « **Reply #16 on:** 2010-05-26 16:43:13 »

Quote from: Gemini on 2010-05-26 16:24:12

According to the official novel "The Maiden Who Travels the Planet":
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But only Cloud knew about his retreat. Having been exposed to Jenova's cells, there were traces of Sephiroth's conscious in him - Part of his conscious resonated with it. Cloud could feel the existence of his remnant somewhere inside the Lifestream, continuing to obstruct Holy even now.

Letting only his conscious enter the Sea of Mako, Cloud went in pursuit of him. Riding through the currents, his old enemy was waiting for him. Sephiroth's soul was not yet destroyed and was still a threat to the Planet.
So yeah, that was not in Cloud's mind at all. :p

That segment right there says his body didn't move. At least he didn't make it move. I guess my interpretation is as plausible as this one.

Gemini · « **Reply #17 on:** 2010-05-26 16:46:00 »

At least something did move to the Lifestream, like I supposed.

The whole fact that it's Cloud's mind travelling to Sephiroth's soul makes it rather clear that the battle takes place in the Lifestream and that Sephiroth is "real", not just a projection created by Cloud in his mind.

nikfrozty · « **Reply #18 on:** 2010-05-26 16:47:04 »

Quote from: seif on 2010-05-26 16:34:41

Personally I thought this was one of the things that was wrong with VII. It should have ended with a physical battle with Sephiroth. Nothing more was needed and the rest made it confusing and opened a can of worms.

Well I haven't really thought about it. The ending is so confusing. When I was a kid and finished this game I thought Cloud defeated Sephiroth One on One and I though Omnislash was a super limit break of Cloud. Haha

Did SquareEnix explain this ending somewhere??

Furzball · « **Reply #19 on:** 2010-05-26 18:51:02 »

Also reminds me, does anyone know if that was Sephiroth's real body when Cloud handed over the black materia. Just another clone/jenova part. And could that have been the one cloud was fighting at the end of the game?

nikfrozty · « **Reply #20 on:** 2010-05-26 19:30:46 »

Well I for one think he isn't really Sephiroth since he's alive at Advent Children. Haha don't mind me its all conclusions.

Jaitsu · « **Reply #21 on:** 2010-05-26 19:49:24 »

someone commented earlier on that there should have been a physical last battle in the game between sephiroth and cloud, and not a mental one, half the reason that AC was made was because square thought the same, and wanted to have an actual physical battle between the two where cloud finally wins his victory

Gemini · « **Reply #22 on:** 2010-05-26 20:30:37 »

Quote from: furzball on 2010-05-26 18:51:02

Also reminds me, does anyone know if that was Sephiroth's real body when Cloud handed over the black materia.

That is the real Sephiroth. The part that becomes Sepher Sephiroth, to be exact, which explains why his body becomes that weird under the torso (don't ask me about the wing/blade thingy, I have really no idea).

Jaitsu · « **Reply #23 on:** 2010-05-26 20:51:33 »

Quote from: Gemini on 2010-05-26 20:30:37

Quote from: furzball on 2010-05-26 18:51:02
Also reminds me, does anyone know if that was Sephiroth's real body when Cloud handed over the black materia.
That is the real Sephiroth. The part that becomes Sepher Sephiroth, to be exact, which explains why his body becomes that weird under the torso (don't ask me about the wing/blade thingy, I have really no idea).

actually, that wasn't, if you remember, sephiroths real body was at the time, still frozen in the norths. the sephiroth that took the materia was jenova, disguised as jenova, but under sephiroths control

Gemini · « **Reply #24 on:** 2010-05-26 22:51:43 »

I was talking about that Sephiroth in fact, the very same in the Materia block or whatever that crystal-thing was. That's why I mentioned the missing part of the body under the torso.