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[Jari]

LOL 

Tidus_Lionheart & Henkäys Ikuisuudesta: Do you know who I am? Do you know that I have been here since 2000 and moderated on more than one occasion?

Perhaps... just perhaps I know about these things? Maybe even bit more than you do?

Did you think that I was pulling his leg when I said that negative reinforcement works?


EDIT: So, come back to complain in about... 2014 - 2016, preferably after you have moderated here for few years, ok?

[*:.Griever.:*]

As I said, I don't wanna offend anyone, just throwing in my oppinion as everyone else does.
The point of a forum I believe
I don't really care if you've been here since 1927, are a moderator now, or invented the wheel.
Point is, if I want to express my oppinion, I will.

If you're negative reinforcment works, that's fine by me.  I'm just saying, that it's not a method I would use is all.

[Ragna]

Of course I know who you are and what you've done here, pal.
But also, I don't even care who you are. Just respect other people opinions.

P.S.: We are now in off-topic... don't you see?

[Jari]

so youd prefer if everyone typed like this then

EDIT: Face it, asking nicely doesn't work. No matter what they'd say afterwards. And if you want negative reinforcement to work - like it did here - you are not going to start by respecting idiots.

[*:.Griever.:*]

so youd prefer if everyone typed like this then

What, if anything does that have to do with the "discussion" we were having?

[Jari]

Gee, I dunno.

Want to buy a vowel?

[*:.Griever.:*]

Gimme an A please

[Jari]

By defending the numbskulls who can't - or more likely won't (which might be worse, I suppose - that if anything shows a complete lack of respect towards the people you expect to read your posts) - type something even remotely resembling English you are unfortunately encouraging them.

I do not particularly care what you - or anyone else here - thinks of me, nor do I care if you want to stand up for someone, but in cases like these you are just encouraging them.

And no - before someone suggests it again - asking nicely doesn't work.

[*:.Griever.:*]

Well, I'm not defending anyone, I'm not trying to get you to be nice to people.
Some people need to be spoken to bluntly to get points across, I get that.  All I'm saying is, it's not my way.
So, would it be out of the question, if I said can we start over here, before this thing turns bitter?
I don't mind having people not like me either to be honest, but I've seen alot of you're posts before and they are rather helpfull, so I would prefer to keep you on the good side as it were.
If not, no worries, I accept that some people are stubborn. Joking.

[Xelane]

okay, obviously you didn't read what i said about your "negative reinforcement" and that was that if you had done it in a more positive matter it would have gotten THE SAME RESULT. If you didn't understand that it meant that it meant that i would have changed my typing either way

And by the way the reason that your "negative reinforcement" worked was only because you showed me that my typing needed to be changed to be legible to others and that would have worked much better if you were to say it in a positive fashion. I already knew how to use caps and paragraphs btw, nothing new was learned, just enforced

Also, you cannot just assume that asking nicely won't change anything. Most of the people whom I ask nicely change their attitude UNLESS they are those certain people who are just cruel for no reason. Also, I have edited my first post so that it is easier to read

I would also like to thank tidus Lionheart for respectfully showing their opinions while some people who shall not by named continue their rampage

[squeeble]

Jari please come back, the amount of nooblets on the forums with endless amounts of questions is making me visit the forum less and less frequently. At least when you "modded" we didn't have the ridiculous amount of post spammers we have now.

I do think you get way to much enjoyment out of picking on relgious types though, (however amusing it might be on my end lol).

I've only really flicked over the argument but my guess is, like most arguments I've seen with him, Jar.. I mean El ammo is pointing out the fact that his negative opinion is as important as your  positive opinion, and as long as you keep pointing out that "thats your opinion" hes gonna keep voicing it.

You could try being a bit nicer at first though, you tend to give them like 1 or 2 posts before you start abusing the shit out of them. Although I spoze in this instance you seem to be holding back somewhat. Lets just all relax have a cup of tea and eat some cake.

(why is this thread still alive btw, i thought it died ages ago.)

[Xelane]

Well first off i would like to thank squeeble for agreeing with EL but at the same time didn't choose a side. But as for negative comments being more influencial than positive ones i'm pretty skeptical because i've never delt with a situation where those kinds of results occured.

Also since I have only seen el ammo on this topic I can only say that he is a very negative, and in a sense, evil person who takes joy in insulting and mocking others. however that may only be the case on this topic I honestly can't say.

Anyway what I am trying to say is that El ammo should try to give at least a little more respect and assuming that he doesn't make that into an insult, it may give him a more likeable person

[Jari]

okay, obviously you didn't read what i said about your "negative reinforcement" and that was that if you had done it in a more positive matter it would have gotten THE SAME RESULT. If you didn't understand that it meant that it meant that i would have changed my typing either way

Obviously I did. Pardon me, but I didn't believe a word of it, and don't believe a word of it now.

Dude, I've been here for eight years. You ain't the first one and won't be the last one who claims that they are special and they should be asked nicely because that would work... probably just because they are made fluffy teddy bears and pretty flowers. It has not worked. Not once. It has been tried. It has been tried with people who later - when the going really got rough after being nice didn't work - said the same thing you do now. Only problem was that it had already been tried with them and they just chose to "forget" it.

There's a minuscule chance that you'd be the first person ever who would have done what he says... but... nah. You are lying.

Maybe you need a lesson; people are not going to take what you say at face value. Especially when they have years of experience that says you are just bullshitting them. They are not going to take it at face value no matter how many times you keep repeating it.

And by the way the reason that your "negative reinforcement" worked was only because you showed me that my typing needed to be changed to be legible to others and that would have worked much better if you were to say it in a positive fashion. I already knew how to use caps and paragraphs btw, nothing new was learned, just enforced

Bullshit. You obviusly are smart enough to type, so you knew full well all this time that your post was unreadable, no need for me to point anything out. You just thought that you'd get away with it. I only gave you a kick on the arse to make you do something about it.

BTW, feel free to put negative reinforcement into as many quotation marks as you'd like, but it is very real.

Also, you cannot just assume that asking nicely won't change anything.

Yes I can. I have eight years of experience of it. BTW, your real world example doesn't apply here; this is the Intertubes. It makes idiots out of people when it gives them anonymity.

Jari please come back, the amount of nooblets on the forums with endless amounts of questions is making me visit the forum less and less frequently. At least when you "modded" we didn't have the ridiculous amount of post spammers we have now.

Awww, sorry. Can't do that.

I do think you get way to much enjoyment out of picking on relgious types though, (however amusing it might be on my end lol).

Yeah, but I only pick on the obnoxious ones.

Also since I have only seen el ammo on this topic I can only say that he is a very negative, and in a sense, evil person who takes joy in insulting and mocking others.

BTW, I don't want you to be more likable. Only thing I'm concerned about is whether we can actually decrypt your posts.

[squeeble]

Also since I have only seen el ammo on this topic I can only say that he is a very negative, and in a sense, evil person who takes joy in insulting and mocking others. however that may only be the case on this topic I honestly can't say.

Hey I've only been here a year and you could consider him being "nice" on this topic.

Jari please come back, the amount of nooblets on the forums with endless amounts of questions is making me visit the forum less and less frequently. At least when you "modded" we didn't have the ridiculous amount of post spammers we have now.

Awww, sorry. Can't do that.

I'm quite curious as to why?
Was it something I missed, or just forgot about.

[Jari]

Nah, there never has been a public discussion about it. It's not a big deal, just several smaller ones, really. Like me not having so much time for it, anymore.

[Xelane]

ok obviously there is no reasoning here since you just assume this and that about everybody, that is pretty sad that you judge people so quickly and such an irrashional manner and I hope I don't run into you anywhere else because you are a VERY serious negative influence even if you are technicly holding back.

Do not assume anything about me just based on one blur of unreadable text which btw I fixed yesterday to be readable. The fact of the matter is that being positive ALWAYS works with me and I am aware that there is a possibility that I could be lying but you really should have given me at least one shot at it before you decided to start bashing me.


"There's a minuscule chance that you'd be the first person ever who would have done what he says... but... nah. You are lying."

Hey thanks for assuming that you know me. If you know so much about me then you would probably know my favorite color wouldn't you? And if you don't know what i'm talking about it's the fact that you immediatly assumed that I was lying after only seeing about 5 posts which only tells you SOME thing about me. Do not EVER tell me that I am lying without actually knowing me unless I say something like "I was invited to santa's christmas party and played cards with the Easter Bunny" because I can do the exact same thing to you.

and that whole thing about positive reinforcement not working.....yeah you're full of crap because most of the time when I use it, it works FLAWLESSLY for me. maybe it hasn't worked for YOU but that does NOT mean that it doesn't work so don't come B****ing to me that you have been trying for 8 years and have never gotten it to work once

[Jari]

Waaahhh! You hurt my feelings! Waaahhh!

Like I said, spend eight years here, moderate on more than one occasion... then and only then I will take your comments about what works and what doesn't with any degree of seriousness.

Meanwhile you can go cry to your momma, if that makes you feel better. You are not going to get any special treatment from me, just because you whine and bitch.

[Xelane]

you are pretty arrogant. and also you seem to think that you are GOOD at insulting people, "go cry to your mamma"? what kind of insult is that? are you some kind of gangsta imitation? that's pretty pathetic don't you think?

in any case you're starting to bore me cause you pretty much say the same things over and over again, constantly recycling your comments. And has anyone noticed that this topic has gone from asking if you think the same way that Black-Caped Man does or not to me argueing to some loser who likes to brag about his 8 years here and thinks that he knows what works best.

anyway like I said you're boring me so I probably won't see you again and that makes my day alot brighter so thanks for showing me how stupid some poeple can be when they think that they are superior to others which you CLEARLY aren't

[*:.Griever.:*]

Xelane, I wouldnt' waste anymore energy here man, it's clear this is never going to end well.
Just bypass this topic and go to somewhere your imput is appreciated instead of beat on

[squeeble]

I think it's time to bring'er out again.

[Jari]

you are pretty arrogant. and also you seem to think that you are GOOD at insulting people, "go cry to your mamma"? what kind of insult is that? are you some kind of gangsta imitation? that's pretty pathetic don't you think?

in any case you're starting to bore me cause you pretty much say the same things over and over again, constantly recycling your comments. And has anyone noticed that this topic has gone from asking if you think the same way that Black-Caped Man does or not to me argueing to some loser who likes to brag about his 8 years here and thinks that he knows what works best.

anyway like I said you're boring me so I probably won't see you again and that makes my day alot brighter so thanks for showing me how stupid some poeple can be when they think that they are superior to others which you CLEARLY aren't

[Xelane]

LOL to squeebles picture, that was pretty funny to see especially at the bottom where it says "a very special message from the JRR's shut the **** up foundation" XD

[Tsetra]

It's impossible to win an argument about religion, and it just makes you look like an idiot when you try. Sharing beliefs is fine and dandy. Attacking someone else's is just a waste of everyone's time. Millions have argued about it for thousands of years. You're not going to be the ultimate end to the debate on some online forum about RPGs. I haven't read the past couple pages of this topic, but I'm pretty sure I already know what it says because it's the same thing everything freaking time.

MASSIVE EDIT -
Haha wow. Maybe I SHOULD have read more instead of just skimmed. Then I probably would have realized the arguing is about respect instead of religion. Oh well, maybe someone will get a laugh out of my ignorance so I'll leave it up.

[Xelane]

Yea it was more about respect than religion but we did manage to throw a sprinkle of religion into the mix: I said that Black-Caped Man's belief was similar to buddhaism and EL Ammo.....called me a "butthurt christfag"......which i guess still counts

[squeeble]

I said that Black-Caped Man's belief was similar to buddhaism and EL Ammo.....called me a "butthurt christfag"......which i guess still counts

First time I've ever heard that one btw, it made me lol