[FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v2.0.99994)

[BertShadow]

I'm gonna check it, when i found the problem i will fix it and i will send you a private message,Bert Shadow.
If you have other problems with the Spanish version, leave a post here,to not mix the problems o_O: http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=18918.0

Oki, gran traducción por cierto, lo de borracho de los suburbios como job es de 10.

[Smashgunner]

Alright I got a heck of a doozy for ya!

The fight with Sephiroths first form in the crater will simply stop working, and I think the cause is killing multiple limbs at the same time. It only crashed when I was nuking with Ultima. I tried this three times. I say three times because the first two were crashes and I beat it the third time by only attacking with vincent. Who did attack multiple times, but never killed more than one limb at a time.

I say I think this is the crash because Seph would simply stop moving. The entire model. I don't know perhaps an attack is bugged and I just got lucky and he never did it. I certainly don't know. I actually thought the boss was unbeatable the first two times when this happened because I thought that winning would crash the fight.

[LeonNujain]

Hello ! Well, I'm just in Corel Prison, I'm doing a very casual playtrough, but I wanted to comment on a few modifications I did to your mod ! They are just to give feedback, I'm not in any case trying to tell you to modify anything

I used WallMarket to restore the original initial stats and also the original stat curves, but I did a slight modification to the characters' curves:

- What I did was averaging the curves of all the characters, then the best curves I increased by half the distance with the best curve (if it gives a number with decimal, round down / better), and the worst curves I worsened them for half the distance with the worst curve (if it gives a number with decimal, I round up / worse). (for instance if four character have the strength curves 2, 8, 4, 10, then average is 6 and I change the strength curves to now be 0, 14, 2, 20, then I repeat the process with the rest of the stats)

This made a bigger difference between strengths and weaknesses, which is pretty fun.

Then, the other thing I've done was changing materia effect to make more sense into the kind of character that would have gotten/used that materia:

00   +-0 to everything
MP Plus, HP Plus, Speed Plus, Magic Plus, Luck Plus, EXP Plus, Gil Plus, Underwater, Chocobo Lure, Pre-emptive,

01   -16 to everything except +32 to LUCK
Enemy Away, W-Magic, W-Summon, W-Item

02   +16 to everything except -32 to LUCK
Enemy Lure, HP<->MP,

03   -4 to MAG and SPI, +4 to STR, VIT and LUCK
Long Range, Counter Attack, Cmd. Counter, Elemental, Added Effect,

04   -4 to STR and VIT, +4 to MAG, SPI and MP
All, Magic Counter, MP Turbo, Quadra Magic,

05   -4 to STR and MAG, +4 to VIT, SPI and HP
Cover, MP Absorb, HP Absorb,

06   -4 to VIT and SPI, +4 to STR, MAG and DEX
Mega-All, Sneak Attack, Final Attack, Added Cut, Added Steal,

   Command Materia

07   -8 to HP and MP, -4 to MAG, +4 to STR and LUCK, +8 to DEX
Slash-All, Multi-Cut,

08   -8 to HP and MP, -4 to MAG, +4 to STR and DEX, +8 to LUCK
Morph, Steal, Sense, Manipulate, Mime, Enemy Skill,

09   -8 to HP and MP, -4 to MAG, +4 to DEX and LUCK, +8 to STR
Throw, Deathblow,

0A   -32 to HP and MP, -16 to MAG, +16 to STR, DEX and LUCK
Master Command,

   Magic Materia

0B   -2 to VIT, +2 to MAG and MP
Fire, Ice, Earth, Lightning, Restore,

0C   -4 to VIT, +4 to MAG and MP
Heal, Revive, Seal, Mystify, Transform, Exit, Poison, Gravity, Barrier

0D   -8 to VIT, +8 to MAG and MP
Comet, Time, Osmose, Destruct, Contain, Full Cure, Shield, Planet,

0E   -32 to VIT, +32 to MAG and MP
Master Magic,

   Summon Materia

0F   -2 to STR, VIT and HP, +2 to MAG, SPI and MP
Choco/Mog, Shiva, Ifrit, Ramuh, Titan, Odin, Leviathan, Bahamut,

10   -4 to STR, VIT and HP, +4 to MAG, SPI and MP
Kjata, Alexander, Phoenix, Neo-Bahamut, Hades, Typhon, Bahamut-ZERO,

11   -8 to STR, VIT and HP, +8 to MAG, SPI and MP
Knights of Round,

12   -32 to STR, VIT and HP, +32 to MAG, SPI and MP
Master Summon

I'm REALLY enjoying the game like this right now, characters grow in a very specific way for each one, and Materia has a really big effect in them, so it becomes VERY strategic to choose charactes, materia, and also equipment in your mod ! I like the concept of your changes in equipment, and thus far I'm going fine with it. I like the idea of Cloud using the Buster Sword for longer or even the whole game. Also I'm not using ranks, I've gotten a few gameovers over the course now, I'm not grinding but I have Enemy Lure constantly on, so I'm good leveled, the game is fun, I'm playing also in normal mode.

Well, that's all to tell, again, thanks for such an awesome mod !

[Sega Chief]

Alright I got a heck of a doozy for ya!

The fight with Sephiroths first form in the crater will simply stop working, and I think the cause is killing multiple limbs at the same time. It only crashed when I was nuking with Ultima. I tried this three times. I say three times because the first two were crashes and I beat it the third time by only attacking with vincent. Who did attack multiple times, but never killed more than one limb at a time.

I say I think this is the crash because Seph would simply stop moving. The entire model. I don't know perhaps an attack is bugged and I just got lucky and he never did it. I certainly don't know. I actually thought the boss was unbeatable the first two times when this happened because I thought that winning would crash the fight.

That sounds like the quadra ultima glitch: https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Quadra_Magic_Ultima_glitch

As far as I'm aware, if you use that and have a second Ultima attached to HP or MP Absorb it bugs the game right out when used on an enemy that is multiple copies of an enemy combined into one, like Bizarro.

Hello ! Well, I'm just in Corel Prison, I'm doing a very casual playtrough, but I wanted to comment on a few modifications I did to your mod ! They are just to give feedback, I'm not in any case trying to tell you to modify anything

I used WallMarket to restore the original initial stats and also the original stat curves, but I did a slight modification to the characters' curves:

- What I did was averaging the curves of all the characters, then the best curves I increased by half the distance with the best curve (if it gives a number with decimal, round down / better), and the worst curves I worsened them for half the distance with the worst curve (if it gives a number with decimal, I round up / worse). (for instance if four character have the strength curves 2, 8, 4, 10, then average is 6 and I change the strength curves to now be 0, 14, 2, 20, then I repeat the process with the rest of the stats)

This made a bigger difference between strengths and weaknesses, which is pretty fun.

I'm REALLY enjoying the game like this right now, characters grow in a very specific way for each one, and Materia has a really big effect in them, so it becomes VERY strategic to choose charactes, materia, and also equipment in your mod ! I like the concept of your changes in equipment, and thus far I'm going fine with it. I like the idea of Cloud using the Buster Sword for longer or even the whole game. Also I'm not using ranks, I've gotten a few gameovers over the course now, I'm not grinding but I have Enemy Lure constantly on, so I'm good leveled, the game is fun, I'm playing also in normal mode.

Well, that's all to tell, again, thanks for such an awesome mod !

Stat curves are coming back to work with the rank ups for the final update, but that's still a ways off.

If I was playing with your changes, I would stockpile Enemy Lures like nobody's business, assuming they can be acquired freely. I can't remember if they can be or not.

[LeonNujain]

I don't know, it comes mastered, so I don't think there are more copies anywhere ? Yeah, if one could get more En Lure it would be too op. I thought of maybe making the stat changes of those be +8 and -16 on luck but until now it's being pretty nice because the bigger encounter rate is a big weight lol (I just don't care because I'm not speedrunning and it helps play without grinding). Everything is pretty much balanced I think. And without ranking up the normal mode is not thaaat easy, not too hard, just good I think. I'm really enjoying the game like this, one has to really think the preparations for battles. I lost to Jenova when going to Costa del Sol, to the Hojo's Laboratory specimen TWICE (yes, I would only focus on the big monster so they beat me twice) and I think I lost once to another enemy but I can't remember.

By the way, I would definitely encourage you to think about the stat curves I've used, now each character feels sooo unique (I'm also loving how I changed the materias, but I don't think that could be something that everybody would love).

Well, now I'll make my leave, I'll comment again perhaps when I end the game ! Thanks again for the mod !

[genocidekyuubi]

Hi, Sega Chief
 In the first page, you say "FF7 NT Vanilla Combat.IRO" (with updated script and event, and with default enemies/ combat system). What "default combat system" means? Does this mean, i can play and level up without SP system, and gain stats level up like in Vanilla game?

What i want to play is play FF7 with mod that updated with script and event like your mod, and new bosses and sidequest like your mod, but without SP system or Rank system. Is it the one i'm looking for?

[Smashgunner]

That sounds like the quadra ultima glitch: https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Quadra_Magic_Ultima_glitch

As far as I'm aware, if you use that and have a second Ultima attached to HP or MP Absorb it bugs the game right out when used on an enemy that is multiple copies of an enemy combined into one, like Bizarro.

Yeah that's the weird thing, I didn't have HP or MP absorb on. I assumed that using Regen instead meant I was safe but I guess not. Learned something new today I guess. Whoops.

[Torawakamaru]

Hi Sega Chief, thanks for your answers.

1.) Some minor thing: when i use [added effect] + [time] as defense, the status screen only shows slow and stop-immunity, the haste is greyed out. But that char cannot be hasted as well.

2.) Still want to ask, how do i use the Proud Clod-program with your mod. The scene.bin that i am reading out does not seem to be very useful or am i overlooking something?

3.) Is it intended that you cannot protect yourself from being manipulated through [addect effect] + [manipulate]?

4.) I am back from outer space and was told to go to Bugenhagen. The Sister Ray is not in Junon anymore but still not in Midgar yet. Yet that NPC in Kalm at the entrance talks about her being pointed at the north and that there is something big going on in Midgar. Not sure if that's entirely correct, at least the gun part.

Question to others:

In the Junon League there is this Elena-clone in the fighter-section iirc (female fighter with a suit and a gun). The fight against her is weird because there is a 'metal beam' or something obscuring the sight of her - it blocks ~20% of the screen, probably caused through an unfortunate camera angle. Do others have this as well? I use the Remako-graphics-mod and i might test it again without that but for now i'm just curious.

[fimra000]

Hello Sega Chief,

I made this account specifically for this problem i encountered playing NT.

I just finished the Dark Cave and looted the dead body, I then took the top exit and end up at the Ancient Forest. The problem is that I'm now away from all transportation means and stranded on the west island:\ I did some search and it seems someone had the same problem back in 2017.

Do you think there's any way this can be solved?

Thanks.

[Fishmeistercod]

I'm at the end of Disc 1 now, and I still don't know what the tenth Rank Up slot is.
What on earth is ?????? 0/?? all about?!

[Torawakamaru]

@fimra000

you could use the tool Black Chocobo to edit your save. There is a location tab were you can choose your ...well, location. I used it in the great glacier and didn't break my save so that could be a method.

[lordkeiser]

Hi segachief i been on the crater triying to steal spirit lance from crater dragon  for an hour, the steal allways fail  im lvl 99  what i am doing wrong?

[vegetamaker]

Hello! First at all thanks Sega Chief and all who did this mod. I am really enjoying the mod. Many things look more understandable and natural. Bosses are pretty fun!.

I was waiting to finish it to say my impressions, but I had a question right now and I am not sure if I broke it in someway.

Mostly of my charactes are stuck in 255/200 and the "thing" don't see they can rank up. Others characters yes (Vincent and Cid only). Is there a restriction for history moment or something? (I am just after Tifa found Cloud in Middle).

Another thing. I went to ancient Forest and the last cave (where generally you can find Apocalypse) don't spawn. It just teleport me to world map.

Note: Just in case it is important, at the start I used the 7th heaven one, but I noticed it was outdated and replaced with 1.5. Its probably it will the problem but just in case.

Thanks!

[Sega Chief]

Hi, Sega Chief
 In the first page, you say "FF7 NT Vanilla Combat.IRO" (with updated script and event, and with default enemies/ combat system). What "default combat system" means? Does this mean, i can play and level up without SP system, and gain stats level up like in Vanilla game?

What i want to play is play FF7 with mod that updated with script and event like your mod, and new bosses and sidequest like your mod, but without SP system or Rank system. Is it the one i'm looking for?

It's default enemies and a default kernel (so default character stat curves, spells, equipment, etc). The flevel still uses the NT stuff though, minus the new battles (except for one used in Kalm but that's not really a battle). SP system is still in there but because characters are leveling up with default stat curves you can safely ignore it.

I think the Lv.4 limit sidequests were disabled in it though, they're just obtained in the original places. I had to cut all the new fights out to get a default scene.bin in there nice and quick.

Yeah that's the weird thing, I didn't have HP or MP absorb on. I assumed that using Regen instead meant I was safe but I guess not. Learned something new today I guess. Whoops.

My understanding that it was Absorb + Ultima, Ultima + Quadra or similar. Maybe it was a bug after all? But it definitely sound the same thing, the enemy freezing rather than the battle freezing.

Hi Sega Chief, thanks for your answers.

1.) Some minor thing: when i use [added effect] + [time] as defense, the status screen only shows slow and stop-immunity, the haste is greyed out. But that char cannot be hasted as well.

2.) Still want to ask, how do i use the Proud Clod-program with your mod. The scene.bin that i am reading out does not seem to be very useful or am i overlooking something?

3.) Is it intended that you cannot protect yourself from being manipulated through [addect effect] + [manipulate]?

4.) I am back from outer space and was told to go to Bugenhagen. The Sister Ray is not in Junon anymore but still not in Midgar yet. Yet that NPC in Kalm at the entrance talks about her being pointed at the north and that there is something big going on in Midgar. Not sure if that's entirely correct, at least the gun part.

Question to others:

In the Junon League there is this Elena-clone in the fighter-section iirc (female fighter with a suit and a gun). The fight against her is weird because there is a 'metal beam' or something obscuring the sight of her - it blocks ~20% of the screen, probably caused through an unfortunate camera angle. Do others have this as well? I use the Remako-graphics-mod and i might test it again without that but for now i'm just curious.

There's a weird thing going on with Haste and Slow; if you have immunity to one, you have immunity to the other. I think it's because their effect can cancel out the other, unlike the other conflicting spells (Regen and Dual-Drain can exist at same time and will wear off independently, though HP won't move up or down until one wears off).

If it's an IRO, then you need to unpack the IRO first using the 7th Heaven launcher tools; there should be a workshop button somewhere on the top that can do it.

I think I wanted to avoid Manipulate being used on attacks rather than through the command because it would ignore its formula (I think). So unfortunately that means it can't be used for defence either; I don't think any of the command materia as a general rule carry statuses on them though so it's consistent in that sense. It's one of those weird fringe cases. Manip protection can be acquired I think through the use of Hypnocrown accessory.

Hello Sega Chief,

I made this account specifically for this problem i encountered playing NT.

I just finished the Dark Cave and looted the dead body, I then took the top exit and end up at the Ancient Forest. The problem is that I'm now away from all transportation means and stranded on the west island:\ I did some search and it seems someone had the same problem back in 2017.

Do you think there's any way this can be solved?

Thanks.

The top exit was disabled, but for some reason it has become active again (which places you back at Ancient Forest). The bottom exit is the intended one. I think if you save the game, then use a save editor (Black Chocobo is the name of the current save editor) it can get you back to the area outside of the dark cave which was the intended exit point (make a backup of saves before doing this).

I'm at the end of Disc 1 now, and I still don't know what the tenth Rank Up slot is.
What on earth is 0/?? all about?!

That got left in by accident, it was for testing.

Hi segachief i been on the crater triying to steal spirit lance from crater dragon  for an hour, the steal allways fail  im lvl 99  what i am doing wrong?

You'll need a sneak glove to steal anything from the Crater, you can acquire one from Wall Market (same vendor who sells Batteries on Disc 1). It's to do with a level modification I made; it unfortunately left a lot of steals unobtainable without it, but as the mod had been balanced around the level modification it's not been something I can fix easily. I'll be sorting it out in the final update though. Also, same goes for manipulating; have a hypnocrown equipped for it.

Hello! First at all thanks Sega Chief and all who did this mod. I am really enjoying the mod. Many things look more understandable and natural. Bosses are pretty fun!.

I was waiting to finish it to say my impressions, but I had a question right now and I am not sure if I broke it in someway.

Mostly of my charactes are stuck in 255/200 and the "thing" don't see they can rank up. Others characters yes (Vincent and Cid only). Is there a restriction for history moment or something? (I am just after Tifa found Cloud in Middle).

Another thing. I went to ancient Forest and the last cave (where generally you can find Apocalypse) don't spawn. It just teleport me to world map.

Note: Just in case it is important, at the start I used the 7th heaven one, but I noticed it was outdated and replaced with 1.5. Its probably it will the problem but just in case.

Thanks!

I think the problem will be that the variables were changed between 1.4 and 1.5. They used to check for bit-switches, but now they just check for a value instead. This means that the check always resolves false, however. I'll need you to send me your save file so I can run it through a script and correct it.

[vegetamaker]

Wow that was a fast response. Thanks so much!

Here is my savefile:

https://mega.nz/#!tL5Xyaob!euBETNqRExi0gVLmrhv8z9PxgsDWS00IGQRRXRttNns
https://mega.nz/#!xD5FkIZa!LDCrfGn-HKc3To0y1bNaxEkH3J2ekvxUgFQUMduuZ_c

First slot is the newer one.

[Sega Chief]

Wow that was a fast response. Thanks so much!

Here is my savefile:

https://mega.nz/#!tL5Xyaob!euBETNqRExi0gVLmrhv8z9PxgsDWS00IGQRRXRttNns

First slot is the newer one.

This save file seems to be at the ropeway station prior to the keystone being stolen, but you mentioned being just after Mideel when Tifa finds Cloud. Is this the correct save file?

[vegetamaker]

This save file seems to be at the ropeway station prior to the keystone being stolen, but you mentioned being just after Mideel when Tifa finds Cloud. Is this the correct save file?

Crap I am silly, sorry. Resharing :3

Edit: https://mega.nz/#!xD5FkIZa!LDCrfGn-HKc3To0y1bNaxEkH3J2ekvxUgFQUMduuZ_c

[Sega Chief]

Here you go:

https://mega.nz/#!XwECkIRS!ILcUjWAfMPUVR0yg1Y3ZnA3UYMO1SwNVKdZx8C8ZY-E

Cait, Vincent, and Cid are given two free ranks when they join the party which is maybe why they were able to get some ranks (unless they joined after you upgraded to 1.5, in which case their vars would have been OK). I reset the rank vars to 0, and those three characters to 2. Sources used were retained though.

[vegetamaker]

Thanks so much! Tomorrow more ff7 ^^.

I guess remember i updated mod just after Gold Soucer.

I reset the rank vars to 0, and those three characters to 2. Sources used were retained though.

Ill cheat hehe

[fimra000]

It's default enemies and a default kernel (so default character stat curves, spells, equipment, etc). The flevel still uses the NT stuff though, minus the new battles (except for one used in Kalm but that's not really a battle). SP system is still in there but because characters are leveling up with default stat curves you can safely ignore it.

I think the Lv.4 limit sidequests were disabled in it though, they're just obtained in the original places. I had to cut all the new fights out to get a default scene.bin in there nice and quick.


My understanding that it was Absorb + Ultima, Ultima + Quadra or similar. Maybe it was a bug after all? But it definitely sound the same thing, the enemy freezing rather than the battle freezing.


There's a weird thing going on with Haste and Slow; if you have immunity to one, you have immunity to the other. I think it's because their effect can cancel out the other, unlike the other conflicting spells (Regen and Dual-Drain can exist at same time and will wear off independently, though HP won't move up or down until one wears off).

If it's an IRO, then you need to unpack the IRO first using the 7th Heaven launcher tools; there should be a workshop button somewhere on the top that can do it.

I think I wanted to avoid Manipulate being used on attacks rather than through the command because it would ignore its formula (I think). So unfortunately that means it can't be used for defence either; I don't think any of the command materia as a general rule carry statuses on them though so it's consistent in that sense. It's one of those weird fringe cases. Manip protection can be acquired I think through the use of Hypnocrown accessory.


The top exit was disabled, but for some reason it has become active again (which places you back at Ancient Forest). The bottom exit is the intended one. I think if you save the game, then use a save editor (Black Chocobo is the name of the current save editor) it can get you back to the area outside of the dark cave which was the intended exit point (make a backup of saves before doing this).


That got left in by accident, it was for testing.


You'll need a sneak glove to steal anything from the Crater, you can acquire one from Wall Market (same vendor who sells Batteries on Disc 1). It's to do with a level modification I made; it unfortunately left a lot of steals unobtainable without it, but as the mod had been balanced around the level modification it's not been something I can fix easily. I'll be sorting it out in the final update though. Also, same goes for manipulating; have a hypnocrown equipped for it.


I think the problem will be that the variables were changed between 1.4 and 1.5. They used to check for bit-switches, but now they just check for a value instead. This means that the check always resolves false, however. I'll need you to send me your save file so I can run it through a script and correct it.

Thanks!

I changed the location of Cloud on the world map and things are working fine now, though it'll take a few trials to get the correct coordinates.

[Maziac]

Just finished Disc 1 on the latest build Arrange mode, but there was no option to choose Phoenix Down or not, Cloud just used it automatically. Or was the option when Cloud was swinging his sword before the cutscene? I tried it twice but maybe I did something wrong.

Now I get to see what could have been

[Torawakamaru]

After the mimic fight the game softlocks if you leave the altar and enter it again. Cloud jumps onto the platform and is walking eternally towards the stairs (Mario 64 reference?  )

And Barrets ultimate weapon only has 4 slots? Is that because of the AP-scaling?

[afant]

Fantastic mod Sega Chief, I found it by watching Caleb Hart's stream of the game. I did find a bug though; the game will lock if you use PHS at the save point in the "Dark Cave" disc 3 quest.

Spoiler: show

Since you cannot make a full party of three, the game will not let you exit the PHS screen.

Another strange thing happened, but I'm not sure if it was a bug and it wasn't game-stopping:

Spoiler: show

It happened during the Omega Weapon fight. I had the Master Cmd+HP Absorb+Multi-Cut combo on Tifa to get around the "no healing" drawback of the Cursed Ring, but in the middle of the fight it stopped working for some reason (as did Regen on the other characters). Not sure what triggered it, it might have been intended even, but I wanted to mention it as well.

[Sega Chief]

Just finished Disc 1 on the latest build Arrange mode, but there was no option to choose Phoenix Down or not, Cloud just used it automatically. Or was the option when Cloud was swinging his sword before the cutscene? I tried it twice but maybe I did something wrong.

Now I get to see what could have been

The option should be during that scene when he raises the sword above his head; a dialogue option should appear there.

After the mimic fight the game softlocks if you leave the altar and enter it again. Cloud jumps onto the platform and is walking eternally towards the stairs (Mario 64 reference?  )

And Barrets ultimate weapon only has 4 slots? Is that because of the AP-scaling?

Best to avoid going back onto the altar after the fight, but I'll fix the script so that stops happening. And yeah, 4 slots due to the scaling. Might expand to 6 as it's a bit limiting.

Fantastic mod Sega Chief, I found it by watching Caleb Hart's stream of the game. I did find a bug though; the game will lock if you use PHS at the save point in the "Dark Cave" disc 3 quest.

Spoiler: show

Since you cannot make a full party of three, the game will not let you exit the PHS screen.

Another strange thing happened, but I'm not sure if it was a bug and it wasn't game-stopping:

Spoiler: show

It happened during the Omega Weapon fight. I had the Master Cmd+HP Absorb+Multi-Cut combo on Tifa to get around the "no healing" drawback of the Cursed Ring, but in the middle of the fight it stopped working for some reason (as did Regen on the other characters). Not sure what triggered it, it might have been intended even, but I wanted to mention it as well.

Ah my bad with the PHS, is that in the first area?

Not sure why it would stop working, that boss doesn't have anything that alters elemental resistances as far as I know. Unless it was the one in the KOTR cave, then there might be something going on.

[afant]

Ah my bad with the PHS, is that in the first area?

Spoiler: show

Yes, the save point in "Reactor No 1".

Not sure why it would stop working, that boss doesn't have anything that alters elemental resistances as far as I know. Unless it was the one in the KOTR cave, then there might be something going on.

It was the Gold Battle in Battle Arena, so not the KOTR cave battle.

Is the HP Absorb trick supposed to work with the Cursed Ring BTW? In conjunction with Tifa's Grit the drawback becomes practically moot.